Mirror removal
08-17-2002, 09:03 PM
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Mirror removal
How do you get the wires out of the door mirrors w/o cutting them off? I'm about to lose my religion over this @%*& parts car! 
08-17-2002, 10:10 PM
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I'm fixing to do this tomorrow myself. Here's what I know (but have yet to confirm).
Take off the glass by placing a small screw driver into one of the two holes underneath the mirror. One of the holes is for drainage, the other has a small gear like device with teeth. You can use the screw driver to rotate the gear and the mirror glass will be released - MAKE SURE YOU DON'T DROP THE GLASS! Gear doesn't go far before releasing the glass. Once the glass is off you can remove the internal mechanism that controls the mirror face. Once inside you'll find a pin connector. The pins must be "pushed" out of the connector carefully with a suitable tool. No, I don't know what a suitable tool is - but I've been told you can use a Radio Shack 910-3904 Pin Extractor. I'm getting one of these this evening, so I'll have to report back tomorrow. Once the pins are out the mirror can be removed. Make sure you mark the correct reconnection points for the wires.
I have NO IDEA if this is correct. But it matches what the Haynes manual says and is confirmed in several post on both Rennlist and Pelican. Kinda a blind faith thing if you know what I mean!
Shoot Michelle, if we can get the dang rear floor mats out, the mirrors ought to be a piece of cake! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
Take off the glass by placing a small screw driver into one of the two holes underneath the mirror. One of the holes is for drainage, the other has a small gear like device with teeth. You can use the screw driver to rotate the gear and the mirror glass will be released - MAKE SURE YOU DON'T DROP THE GLASS! Gear doesn't go far before releasing the glass. Once the glass is off you can remove the internal mechanism that controls the mirror face. Once inside you'll find a pin connector. The pins must be "pushed" out of the connector carefully with a suitable tool. No, I don't know what a suitable tool is - but I've been told you can use a Radio Shack 910-3904 Pin Extractor. I'm getting one of these this evening, so I'll have to report back tomorrow. Once the pins are out the mirror can be removed. Make sure you mark the correct reconnection points for the wires.
I have NO IDEA if this is correct. But it matches what the Haynes manual says and is confirmed in several post on both Rennlist and Pelican. Kinda a blind faith thing if you know what I mean!
Shoot Michelle, if we can get the dang rear floor mats out, the mirrors ought to be a piece of cake! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
08-17-2002, 11:01 PM
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That sounds about right. I got to the "push the pins out" part. I didn't know that was how to get it out. This parts car is driving me nuts. I did get the rear mats out tho'!
08-18-2002, 01:01 AM
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UPDATE - BREAKING NEWS...
Radio Shack doesn't have part. Can get for $4 PLUS shipping of $3 more or less, part will be in on Tuesday, or possibly Wednesday, but no later than Thursday.
What's that Mr. Foster?
No Mr. Foster, you can not have the part today.
Yes Mr. Foster, we can ship to the store.
No Mr. Foster, you will still need to pay shipping.
Yes Mr. Foster, that is company policy.
No Mr. Foster, I can't sell you anything today.
Yes Mr. Foster, I still need your address so I can send you worthless sales flyers filled with items we don't stock.
No Mr. Foster, I can't tell THAT to my manager!?!
Yes Mr. Foster, I'll relay your kind words to corporate!?!
Radio Shack Sucks!
Radio Shack doesn't have part. Can get for $4 PLUS shipping of $3 more or less, part will be in on Tuesday, or possibly Wednesday, but no later than Thursday.
What's that Mr. Foster?
No Mr. Foster, you can not have the part today.
Yes Mr. Foster, we can ship to the store.
No Mr. Foster, you will still need to pay shipping.
Yes Mr. Foster, that is company policy.
No Mr. Foster, I can't sell you anything today.
Yes Mr. Foster, I still need your address so I can send you worthless sales flyers filled with items we don't stock.
No Mr. Foster, I can't tell THAT to my manager!?!
Yes Mr. Foster, I'll relay your kind words to corporate!?!
Radio Shack Sucks!
08-18-2002, 01:39 AM
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I concluded that the person at the counter doesn't have any control over corporate policy... The fastest way to get through the whole thing is to give them a PO box # (invented) at a ZIP that you used to have (or know name of..). Someone gets extra RS flyers, and the person behind the counter gets the bonus for a new address. Everyone wins. :-)
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YMMV, but have fun ,
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08-18-2002, 07:39 PM
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UPDATE NUMBER TWO...
Got the mirror apart and the procedure stated above is correct. Could not get the "tool" today, so the pin extraction will need to wait until tomorrow when I'm back in Houston. As soon as I have the tool I can pull the wires and remove the base and housing.
It appears, as I've been told, that the 944 mirror drive will work on the 968 mirrors as well. I'll find out soon enough as I plan on de-pinning the connector and transfering the motors to my 968 aero mirrors.
I have also "devised" a method for seperating the base from the housing for the mirrors. I know it works on the 968 mirrors and it should work on the 944 mirrors as well. Method doesn't require your name to be Clark Kent either.
Stay tuned as a complete procedure is in the works for both the 968 mirror and door handle upgrades. And yes Virginia - this one will be detailed. I think the door handle procedure is currently at 8 pages!
But that includes photos.
Got the mirror apart and the procedure stated above is correct. Could not get the "tool" today, so the pin extraction will need to wait until tomorrow when I'm back in Houston. As soon as I have the tool I can pull the wires and remove the base and housing.
It appears, as I've been told, that the 944 mirror drive will work on the 968 mirrors as well. I'll find out soon enough as I plan on de-pinning the connector and transfering the motors to my 968 aero mirrors.
I have also "devised" a method for seperating the base from the housing for the mirrors. I know it works on the 968 mirrors and it should work on the 944 mirrors as well. Method doesn't require your name to be Clark Kent either.
Stay tuned as a complete procedure is in the works for both the 968 mirror and door handle upgrades. And yes Virginia - this one will be detailed. I think the door handle procedure is currently at 8 pages!
But that includes photos.
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08-18-2002, 07:59 PM
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With the warning that it's been ~9 years since I pulled a 944 mirror, here's what I recall doing about the wiring plug...
After making a neat sketch of what color wire went where, I used a very small flat-tip jeweler's screwdriver to push the pins out of the plug. IIRC, there's a small shoulder on the pin where it's crimped to the wire. You can push against this.
ISTR that I used pretty much the same thing to re-seat the pins when I put it back together.
I'm guessing that you could find the same small screwdrivers as a set at the jewelry counter at most big-box-mart department stores. Just don't push the blade into the palm of your hand.... <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" /> <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
Jim, any good tool has more than one use....
After making a neat sketch of what color wire went where, I used a very small flat-tip jeweler's screwdriver to push the pins out of the plug. IIRC, there's a small shoulder on the pin where it's crimped to the wire. You can push against this.
ISTR that I used pretty much the same thing to re-seat the pins when I put it back together.
I'm guessing that you could find the same small screwdrivers as a set at the jewelry counter at most big-box-mart department stores. Just don't push the blade into the palm of your hand.... <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" /> <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
Jim, any good tool has more than one use....
08-18-2002, 10:06 PM
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Go to an electronics store and buy a pin removal tool. Mine cost about $5 and saved alot of brain damage as well as saving me the aggrevation of splicing all of the wires back togeather. Also the space is tight for splices.
08-18-2002, 10:13 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by cambria:
<strong>Also the space is tight for splices.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ain't that the truth! With as many parts as I've broken in the quest for 968 mirrors, one more day won't hurt. Plenty of places right around the corner from the office to pick the tool up and do it the easy way!
Thanks for the suggestion anyway Jim, already looked at monkey rigging a way to get the pins out but decided to wait another day. Don't suppose you would you be interested in a "broken" 968 mirror glass!
<strong>Also the space is tight for splices.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ain't that the truth! With as many parts as I've broken in the quest for 968 mirrors, one more day won't hurt. Plenty of places right around the corner from the office to pick the tool up and do it the easy way!
Thanks for the suggestion anyway Jim, already looked at monkey rigging a way to get the pins out but decided to wait another day. Don't suppose you would you be interested in a "broken" 968 mirror glass!
08-25-2002, 11:35 AM
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After spending over $30 on various "tools" to remove the pins, I finally cut the dang things off. I tried every suggestion I found and none of them were successful.
Jim, I tried the small screwdriver - no go. There are three catch latches on each pin. All three must be compressed at the same time to release the pin.
Cabria - The pin tools available are for standard sizes, .093 and .062, neither of these will work. The .062 is way too small and the .093 is just a bit too large. I'd estimate that the size of the pins is .089. Perhaps your tool did the trick, but mine were professional quality tools from specialty electronics stores and they would not work. If you can post the part number of the tool you used and where you bought it from I'd like to give it a try.
Michelle, I found that the best and quickest way to remove the mirror is to cut the wires and repin the ends with standard connectors. The "new" pin and connector combo's are less than $3 and do not require a soldering iron. Total time to repin, about 10 minutes. Time required to determine that the only way to do it is to repin, about 6 hours
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New 968 mirrors are on and they look fantastic. It was worth the time spent, but I'm working on a procedure to save future mirror installers the time. I'll keep you updated.
Jim, I tried the small screwdriver - no go. There are three catch latches on each pin. All three must be compressed at the same time to release the pin.
Cabria - The pin tools available are for standard sizes, .093 and .062, neither of these will work. The .062 is way too small and the .093 is just a bit too large. I'd estimate that the size of the pins is .089. Perhaps your tool did the trick, but mine were professional quality tools from specialty electronics stores and they would not work. If you can post the part number of the tool you used and where you bought it from I'd like to give it a try.
Michelle, I found that the best and quickest way to remove the mirror is to cut the wires and repin the ends with standard connectors. The "new" pin and connector combo's are less than $3 and do not require a soldering iron. Total time to repin, about 10 minutes. Time required to determine that the only way to do it is to repin, about 6 hours
.New 968 mirrors are on and they look fantastic. It was worth the time spent, but I'm working on a procedure to save future mirror installers the time. I'll keep you updated.
