Clutch Job -- Can't get at a bolt
#16
GOT IT! Wasn't easy, but these are the things that ultimately worked:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...ord=socket+cap
Only $11 a set, too!
For breaking it loose (it was galled) I used one of those in a 1/2" drive 19mm 6--pt socket, put an offset box 11/16" on the "socket cap", and a cheater on the box wrench. Instant results! Once it was broken free, the short-U-joint socket was a godsend. The short-U-Joint socket also made the bolt on the very top a breeze from below (after breaking it loose from above).
So the bellhousing is loose, and it WON''T COME OFF!! The tab where the stuck bolt was is hitting the tunnel/brake lines...It appears I do need to lower the back of the engine ... sigh...
So, in Clark's it doesn't say anything specific, but I understood it to say that you could move the TT w-a-a-y-y back. My rear bellhousing is hitting the crossmember right above the diff, no matter how I turn it. Is it supposed to clear?
Is there anything inside the front bellhousing that could be hanging up? I got the release lever out already. The hangup is up on the top or high up at least. I've undone all the conveniently placed grounds, cable clamps, etc. I'm wondering if the release bearing tube and the remains of my rubber clutch are wedged in there?
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...ord=socket+cap
Only $11 a set, too!
For breaking it loose (it was galled) I used one of those in a 1/2" drive 19mm 6--pt socket, put an offset box 11/16" on the "socket cap", and a cheater on the box wrench. Instant results! Once it was broken free, the short-U-joint socket was a godsend. The short-U-Joint socket also made the bolt on the very top a breeze from below (after breaking it loose from above).
So the bellhousing is loose, and it WON''T COME OFF!! The tab where the stuck bolt was is hitting the tunnel/brake lines...It appears I do need to lower the back of the engine ... sigh...
So, in Clark's it doesn't say anything specific, but I understood it to say that you could move the TT w-a-a-y-y back. My rear bellhousing is hitting the crossmember right above the diff, no matter how I turn it. Is it supposed to clear?
Is there anything inside the front bellhousing that could be hanging up? I got the release lever out already. The hangup is up on the top or high up at least. I've undone all the conveniently placed grounds, cable clamps, etc. I'm wondering if the release bearing tube and the remains of my rubber clutch are wedged in there?
#17
Well, it was the damn heater hose again, wedging in between the bell and the firewall. Still no joy tho, it's so-o-o close. Are you supposed to remove the speed & reference sensor bracket?? Clark's just says "sensors", but the bell appears to be hanging up right around there...
#18
Welcome to 944 clutch Hell. The TT will only travel back just far enough for the BH to clear the TT shaft. I had the same issue with the BH and had to rotate it CW from the rear it to a sweet spot for it to come off; I have no idea why. I assume you are clear of any BH guide pins? Sounds like you are hitting the sensor guide tube that's attached to the sensor bracket and extends into the BH for one of the sensors. The early cars had a separate tube for one of the sensors. Have you completely removed the sensor bracket? I'm sorry for your pain, BTDT Once you are done you will qualify for a new profession of grooming badgers as all disregard for health and safety are thrown out the window.
#19
I have not removed the sensor bracket at all...sounds like I need to. @#$%^&*!! I didn't want to have to re-set the depth on them, getting to the bracket bolts is a nightmare from above. Maybe from below it is "possible".
I swear, next time I do this, I'm pulling the engine. And did I mention, I've got another 944 that will need a clutch?!
I swear, next time I do this, I'm pulling the engine. And did I mention, I've got another 944 that will need a clutch?!
#20
I have not removed the sensor bracket at all...sounds like I need to. @#$%^&*!! I didn't want to have to re-set the depth on them, getting to the bracket bolts is a nightmare from above. Maybe from below it is "possible".
I swear, next time I do this, I'm pulling the engine. And did I mention, I've got another 944 that will need a clutch?!
I swear, next time I do this, I'm pulling the engine. And did I mention, I've got another 944 that will need a clutch?!
#21
LOL... losing my clutch virginity, eh?! I have to admit I feel violated
I can physically see the bolts for the sensor bracket, but they are socket-head (allen) bolts and I expect problems getting a key in them. I just talked to my son, who has an LS1/951. When he was pulling the old engine, he just broke off the bracket -- I wish I had that luxury!
Bagging it for today, I've got fiberglass insulation all over my arms from the tunnel. Itches like hell!
Thanks for all the help and encouragement!
I can physically see the bolts for the sensor bracket, but they are socket-head (allen) bolts and I expect problems getting a key in them. I just talked to my son, who has an LS1/951. When he was pulling the old engine, he just broke off the bracket -- I wish I had that luxury!
Bagging it for today, I've got fiberglass insulation all over my arms from the tunnel. Itches like hell!
Thanks for all the help and encouragement!
#22
LOL... losing my clutch virginity, eh?! I have to admit I feel violated
I can physically see the bolts for the sensor bracket, but they are socket-head (allen) bolts and I expect problems getting a key in them. I just talked to my son, who has an LS1/951. When he was pulling the old engine, he just broke off the bracket -- I wish I had that luxury!
Bagging it for today, I've got fiberglass insulation all over my arms from the tunnel. Itches like hell!
Thanks for all the help and encouragement!
I can physically see the bolts for the sensor bracket, but they are socket-head (allen) bolts and I expect problems getting a key in them. I just talked to my son, who has an LS1/951. When he was pulling the old engine, he just broke off the bracket -- I wish I had that luxury!
Bagging it for today, I've got fiberglass insulation all over my arms from the tunnel. Itches like hell!
Thanks for all the help and encouragement!
#23
These are the usual trials and tribulations of a 944 clutch job. I did jack up the front of the engine a bit and just let it rotate on the motor mounts. Lowering the cross member a ahlf inch or so helps too. Even then it can take some very patient jiggling to get the bellhousing to drop down. The sensors are a B-#$%@! with the heater valve right there. I recommend notching the bellhousing so next time the sensors can stay put. It was easy to do with a hacksaw and file. A search should bring up the thread.
#24
So the bellhousing is loose, and it WON''T COME OFF!! The tab where the stuck bolt was is hitting the tunnel/brake lines...It appears I do need to lower the back of the engine ... sigh...
So, in Clark's it doesn't say anything specific, but I understood it to say that you could move the TT w-a-a-y-y back. My rear bellhousing is hitting the crossmember right above the diff, no matter how I turn it. Is it supposed to clear?
Is there anything inside the front bellhousing that could be hanging up? I got the release lever out already. The hangup is up on the top or high up at least. I've undone all the conveniently placed grounds, cable clamps, etc. I'm wondering if the release bearing tube and the remains of my rubber clutch are wedged in there?
So, in Clark's it doesn't say anything specific, but I understood it to say that you could move the TT w-a-a-y-y back. My rear bellhousing is hitting the crossmember right above the diff, no matter how I turn it. Is it supposed to clear?
Is there anything inside the front bellhousing that could be hanging up? I got the release lever out already. The hangup is up on the top or high up at least. I've undone all the conveniently placed grounds, cable clamps, etc. I'm wondering if the release bearing tube and the remains of my rubber clutch are wedged in there?
Second, one issue I had with the speed/ref sensor bracket, the hole where the speed sensor CLOSEST to the front of the car, it had a tube in it that ran the length. Put a pick or something down in there and see if you can't extract it. should pull straight up. after that the bell housing *should* be free...
#25
first off, I find it helps to remove the transmission crossmember. 2 bolts and it's free. makes clearance MUCH easier and you can slide the tt back about another foot.
Second, one issue I had with the speed/ref sensor bracket, the hole where the speed sensor CLOSEST to the front of the car, it had a tube in it that ran the length. Put a pick or something down in there and see if you can't extract it. should pull straight up. after that the bell housing *should* be free...
Second, one issue I had with the speed/ref sensor bracket, the hole where the speed sensor CLOSEST to the front of the car, it had a tube in it that ran the length. Put a pick or something down in there and see if you can't extract it. should pull straight up. after that the bell housing *should* be free...
I can see down the front hole of the bracket; it's clear of the bell. I think the rear part of the bracket is hung up on the bell's flange.
Mike, I'll look for that thread, sounds like a good idea! I'll also replace the allen bolts on the bracket with regular old hex-heads.
#26
Ross, sounds like our cars are different, so I'll ask if this pertains to your car... do you have the 4 little "hooks" protruding off the TT, and the 2 on the torsion bar tube? if so, did you rotate the tt 180 degress so the hooks would clear the torsion bar tube hooks?
I'll assume that you have if your car is so equipped. Good luck!
BTW, I'd swear that hans and franz, when designing this car held up a clutch, and said "build a car around this..." Jerks...
I'll assume that you have if your car is so equipped. Good luck!
BTW, I'd swear that hans and franz, when designing this car held up a clutch, and said "build a car around this..." Jerks...
#27
I saw in Clark's a reference to TT "triangles" that you need to rotate the TT to clear the torsion bar tube; no such thing I can see. There is a clamped-on plate on the rear section of the TT with a single tab sticking down; it appears to be designed to prevent forward motion of the TT/transxle in a crash? It would catch the torsion bar tube if anything moved about 2" forward.
What do the hooks do on yours? Do they mount the TT to the torsion bar tube?
What do the hooks do on yours? Do they mount the TT to the torsion bar tube?
#28
I saw in Clark's a reference to TT "triangles" that you need to rotate the TT to clear the torsion bar tube; no such thing I can see. There is a clamped-on plate on the rear section of the TT with a single tab sticking down; it appears to be designed to prevent forward motion of the TT/transxle in a crash? It would catch the torsion bar tube if anything moved about 2" forward.
What do the hooks do on yours? Do they mount the TT to the torsion bar tube?
What do the hooks do on yours? Do they mount the TT to the torsion bar tube?