How many S2s were made compared to 968s?
05-12-2009, 11:15 AM
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How many S2s were made compared to 968s?
How many S2s were made compared to 968s? How many do you think are still around?
The reason I was wondering is that Carl Fausett is in the process of developing a SC kit for the 968, and I was wondering what the relative potential market size for a 968 only product would be compared to 968 + S2 potential market... my guess is that there are a _lot_ more S2s still on the road than 968s... but that's just from my anecdotal observations.
Anyone have any better grounded data?
The reason I was wondering is that Carl Fausett is in the process of developing a SC kit for the 968, and I was wondering what the relative potential market size for a 968 only product would be compared to 968 + S2 potential market... my guess is that there are a _lot_ more S2s still on the road than 968s... but that's just from my anecdotal observations.
Anyone have any better grounded data?
05-12-2009, 12:17 PM
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05-12-2009, 09:02 PM
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The correct information is 4,665 US 968 cabs and coupes, and 6,052 S2 cabs and coupes sold in the US/Canada. Significantly different numbers.
Worldwide, 12,776 968's of all types, and 14,071 S2's.
Worldwide, 12,776 968's of all types, and 14,071 S2's.
05-12-2009, 09:32 PM
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Welll, this has been educational. My impression was that the 968 was a significantly rare car than the S2, but this would just not seem to be the case. Perhaps here in Australia they are rarer (fewer imported for whatever reason)? I hardly ever see a 968 -- I don't know. Of course, it's hard to spot the difference between an S2 and a 951 at any distance -- maybe I'm just seeing all those dime-a-dozen 951s! 
From the point of view of the reason from my original enquiry, the number of cars manufactured is just a starting point trying to estimate the size of a potential market for a SC kit. The 968s belong to relatively "upmarket" 944-class owners, have a relatively high resale value, and therefore their owners are more likely to be willing and able to plunk down the $$$ for a SC kit.
OTOH, the S2 is not so far behind the 968 in this regard -- probably one step down the food chain -- but unfortunately, we are starting to see more junker S2s coming on the market, obviously owned by people who wouldn't (or couldn't) pay for basic maintenance, much less are likely to spring for a fancy SC kit. Not seeing this so much in the 968s yet, if at all.
Tricky to know anything close the exact answer, but it would appear prima facie that Carl would not more than double his expected market size by adapting his 968 SC kit to the S2 market... I would have thought much greater than that. Oh well. Have to see what happens...
From the point of view of the reason from my original enquiry, the number of cars manufactured is just a starting point trying to estimate the size of a potential market for a SC kit. The 968s belong to relatively "upmarket" 944-class owners, have a relatively high resale value, and therefore their owners are more likely to be willing and able to plunk down the $$$ for a SC kit.
OTOH, the S2 is not so far behind the 968 in this regard -- probably one step down the food chain -- but unfortunately, we are starting to see more junker S2s coming on the market, obviously owned by people who wouldn't (or couldn't) pay for basic maintenance, much less are likely to spring for a fancy SC kit. Not seeing this so much in the 968s yet, if at all.
Tricky to know anything close the exact answer, but it would appear prima facie that Carl would not more than double his expected market size by adapting his 968 SC kit to the S2 market... I would have thought much greater than that. Oh well. Have to see what happens...
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05-12-2009, 09:40 PM
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I think the relative layout of the engines between the S2 and 968 are the same, say the location/orientation of the inlet to the intake. I would think it would be pretty easy to adapt the hardware (the software is another story) between the two motors, but that is just based on my eyeballing a SC kit in a 968 and thinking it would plug right into my S2.
05-12-2009, 09:43 PM
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I came across a local, low mileage S2 cab two years ago. I almost bought it (to keep the miles down on my 968 cab) because it's 90% of the driving experience. But then I realized I'd end up putting on 968 mirrors and door handles, and upgrade to Cup 1 or 2 wheels, and then some mo30 sways, and the clubsport steering wheel, and a Promax chip, and then I'd have something to nice to really put the miles on. So I chickened out. I think they can be a great value if you find one that's been taken cared of. The problem with the s/c kit is that it's liable to be in the 5-6,000 range, and that will be a large percentage of the value of the average S2.