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Rear coilovers, torsion bar reindexing and rear ride heigth.

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Old 02-18-2009 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dimi 944
Based on the responds I guess it is best to get rid off the torsion bar. Any special tricks to that....any extra parts required once the torsion bar is out?
Nope. Pull em out, bolt it back together. Never worry about the PITA of indexing again.

Just make sure that when you install the coil overs, you torque the mount into the trailing arm well. In some instances the mounts can fail under the added load on them if not torqued properly.
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Originally Posted by Dimi 944
Any special tricks to that....any extra parts required once the torsion bar is out?
Many here recommend adding Polybronze spring plate bushings when deleting torsion bars, http://www.paragon-products.com/prod...on-2231800.htm.
Also, here are the sperical bearings xsboost90 was refering to, http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/re_mc2560.htm.

I'm planning to delete TB's later this spring at add Koni 3012's, on sale now at Paragon.
Also planning to go double adjustable up front.
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Why do people buy these
http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/koni_3012.htm


Instead of these?
http://www.ground-control-store.com/...p/II=749/CA=24


For more than $500 more in price, it seems a bit odd.
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I am wondering that as well. I guess the 3012 are racing quality?!?
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I am wondering that as well. I guess the 3012 are racing quality?!?
For the price of those 3012's I could almost afford a full escort cup coilover for all 4 corners.
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Indeed!
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Why do people buy these
Adjustability...the Koni 3012's are double adjustable, bump and rebound.
The Ground Control rears are single, rebound only.

I go back and fourth between rebuilding my M030 front's into double adjustable and adding the rear 3012's or purchasing a KW set up.
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Originally Posted by Lorax
Why do people buy these
http://www.paragon-products.com/product_p/koni_3012.htm


Instead of these?
http://www.ground-control-store.com/...p/II=749/CA=24


For more than $500 more in price, it seems a bit odd.
The Ground Control are wanabe-coilovers as they use a threaded sleeve. The one's Paragon sells are the real deal with a threaded body. I have the Ground Control and they work well for my needs.
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Originally Posted by mj951
Adjustability...the Koni 3012's are double adjustable, bump and rebound.
The Ground Control rears are single, rebound only.

I go back and fourth between rebuilding my M030 front's into double adjustable and adding the rear 3012's or purchasing a KW set up.
Double adjustable but for $500?? Cmon. For thr price of those coilovers you can almost buy a full set of adjustable bilsteins.
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Originally Posted by gina.kane
The Ground Control are wanabe-coilovers as they use a threaded sleeve. The one's Paragon sells are the real deal with a threaded body. I have the Ground Control and they work well for my needs.
Tell me in technical terms, why is it worse to have a threaded sleeve?
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Will there be any issues with the ground control coilover setup and a cabrio?

i was told that if I go too stiff I may break or pop out my windshield due to the body overflexing instead of the suspension taking the up the twisting. Did I get sold a bridge or will I be ok with a ground control system. My next upgrade is suspension now that I got my clutch and motor mount replaced.
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Double adjustable but for $500?? Cmon. For thr price of those coilovers you can almost buy a full set of adjustable bilsteins.
I'm not aware of adjustable Bilsteins for a 944/951, do you have a link or part number?
If Leda's were still available that would be my other option.
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i have the 3012's and they are worth it in my opinion- if you are going to coilovers to have coilovers the cheapers are ok. If you are racing and want every bit of adjustablilty the 3012's are great.
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Originally Posted by xsboost90
i have the 3012's and they are worth it in my opinion- if you are going to coilovers to have coilovers the cheapers are ok. If you are racing and want every bit of adjustablilty the 3012's are great.
Did you upgrade to polybronze spring plate bushings?
I picked up the lower torsion tube bearings and upper tube hard mounts in a group buy a while back, I just need to get the rest ordered and start working.
Waiting for some warmer weather...
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no not as of yet- still weighing my options. Ive seen some cars break rear arms using elephant mounts and such and im not sure a car mostly streeted should have that kind of rigidity. I may replace them w/ new stockers though.


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