Radar Detectors
01-14-2003, 05:54 PM
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True on the family jewels thing. I remember the time a stupid fly boy left the magnetron on. The service tech didn't find out until he opened the nose the found the damn thing following him!!! Talk about peeved!!!
ANYway, DON'T do what I said earlier. I was just kidding. You think that running a radar detector is illegal, wait till you get caught doing something like that and have to face felony charges stemming from FCC laws!!
ANYway, DON'T do what I said earlier. I was just kidding. You think that running a radar detector is illegal, wait till you get caught doing something like that and have to face felony charges stemming from FCC laws!!
01-14-2003, 06:30 PM
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Looks like no radar detector for me.
I've got one question though, if the detector is turned off and concealed out of sight could their radar detector detectors still find it? Or does the unit have to be on?
I've got one question though, if the detector is turned off and concealed out of sight could their radar detector detectors still find it? Or does the unit have to be on?
01-14-2003, 06:55 PM
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You can have the detectors in VA, just can't use them. I always turned it off and removed the cord when we entered the state, just to be safe.
I got pulled over a few years ago, with my Passport on the dash and unplugged. The cop came up, notified me of my 64 in a 55 infraction, and then asked me if I knew it was illigal to operate it. I nodded yes, asked if I could open the glove box for my information and to show him the power cord is in there, thus making it non-operational.
I got the ticket and was on my way, plugging in the Passport as we entered SC.
I got pulled over a few years ago, with my Passport on the dash and unplugged. The cop came up, notified me of my 64 in a 55 infraction, and then asked me if I knew it was illigal to operate it. I nodded yes, asked if I could open the glove box for my information and to show him the power cord is in there, thus making it non-operational.
I got the ticket and was on my way, plugging in the Passport as we entered SC.
01-14-2003, 07:01 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by D. Autry:
<strong>I wish more people would challenge that statute in VA. American citizens have the right to recieve and monitor ANY broadcast frequency, . . you just can't unscramble them if they have been .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">This thread started elsewhere and I gave a little info on this at that time. Until a few years ago there were 2 states that thought they could get away with this crap, CT or VT was the other, they found out what happens when you contradict the federal government.
D. Autry's information is correct, IIRC it comes from the communications act of 1934. The gist of it is (as stated above) that US citizens cannot restricted from monitoring broadcasts on any frequency. Transmissions may be coded or scrambled for security, but we can listen to them if we want. A radar detector does nothing but listen for broadcasts on certain freqs, and beep when broadcasts occur. There is nothing illegal about this as far as the federal government is concerned and states do NOT have jurisdiction over ANY airwaves.
Once someone takes a radar detector ticket far enough through the legal system, there will be no more laws against them.
Zoltan, Semi-illegal may be the best way to put it, there's a law against 'em...but the law is illegal
<strong>I wish more people would challenge that statute in VA. American citizens have the right to recieve and monitor ANY broadcast frequency, . . you just can't unscramble them if they have been .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">This thread started elsewhere and I gave a little info on this at that time. Until a few years ago there were 2 states that thought they could get away with this crap, CT or VT was the other, they found out what happens when you contradict the federal government.
D. Autry's information is correct, IIRC it comes from the communications act of 1934. The gist of it is (as stated above) that US citizens cannot restricted from monitoring broadcasts on any frequency. Transmissions may be coded or scrambled for security, but we can listen to them if we want. A radar detector does nothing but listen for broadcasts on certain freqs, and beep when broadcasts occur. There is nothing illegal about this as far as the federal government is concerned and states do NOT have jurisdiction over ANY airwaves.
Once someone takes a radar detector ticket far enough through the legal system, there will be no more laws against them.
Zoltan, Semi-illegal may be the best way to put it, there's a law against 'em...but the law is illegal
01-14-2003, 07:19 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Dave:
<strong>US citizens cannot restricted from monitoring broadcasts on any frequency.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">then why can't i buy a scanner capable of receiving analog cell phone frequencies?
<strong>US citizens cannot restricted from monitoring broadcasts on any frequency.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">then why can't i buy a scanner capable of receiving analog cell phone frequencies?
01-14-2003, 07:46 PM
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hmm - so if I wire the power to my v1 thru the a-pillar and behind the roof panel so that there is no dangling power cord and then keep the standard power cord in my glovebox to show the nice police officer - hmmm. lol
Im glad I dont live in va. when it comes to this.
Mark
Im glad I dont live in va. when it comes to this.
Mark
01-14-2003, 08:17 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Kool:
<strong>You can buy conceal kits for a V1.
On the subject of detector detectors. It is my understanding that the best detector detector is the stalker. And you have to have one something like 5 ft. from the V1 before it registers anything. If and when I go through VA my V1 is going in the glove box and then I am safe.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">If that's the case just put a kill switch somewhere so you can turn it off if you get pulled over.
<strong>You can buy conceal kits for a V1.
On the subject of detector detectors. It is my understanding that the best detector detector is the stalker. And you have to have one something like 5 ft. from the V1 before it registers anything. If and when I go through VA my V1 is going in the glove box and then I am safe.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">If that's the case just put a kill switch somewhere so you can turn it off if you get pulled over.
01-14-2003, 08:28 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Dave:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by D. Autry:
<strong>I wish more people would challenge that statute in VA. American citizens have the right to recieve and monitor ANY broadcast frequency, . . you just can't unscramble them if they have been .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">This thread started elsewhere and I gave a little info on this at that time. Until a few years ago there were 2 states that thought they could get away with this crap, CT or VT was the other, they found out what happens when you contradict the federal government.
D. Autry's information is correct, IIRC it comes from the communications act of 1934. The gist of it is (as stated above) that US citizens cannot restricted from monitoring broadcasts on any frequency. Transmissions may be coded or scrambled for security, but we can listen to them if we want. A radar detector does nothing but listen for broadcasts on certain freqs, and beep when broadcasts occur. There is nothing illegal about this as far as the federal government is concerned and states do NOT have jurisdiction over ANY airwaves.
Once someone takes a radar detector ticket far enough through the legal system, there will be no more laws against them.
Zoltan, Semi-illegal may be the best way to put it, there's a law against 'em...but the law is illegal </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">i wouldnt unplug my detector, if you get a ticket you can fight it any signals in the air are yours to look for.
...if the cop destroys your detector then you fight far enough through the system to prove that you are allowed to monitor the airwaves can you bring up a suit to make the police replace your detector since their law is illegal?
better yet they should also pay your court fees.
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by D. Autry:
<strong>I wish more people would challenge that statute in VA. American citizens have the right to recieve and monitor ANY broadcast frequency, . . you just can't unscramble them if they have been .</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">This thread started elsewhere and I gave a little info on this at that time. Until a few years ago there were 2 states that thought they could get away with this crap, CT or VT was the other, they found out what happens when you contradict the federal government.
D. Autry's information is correct, IIRC it comes from the communications act of 1934. The gist of it is (as stated above) that US citizens cannot restricted from monitoring broadcasts on any frequency. Transmissions may be coded or scrambled for security, but we can listen to them if we want. A radar detector does nothing but listen for broadcasts on certain freqs, and beep when broadcasts occur. There is nothing illegal about this as far as the federal government is concerned and states do NOT have jurisdiction over ANY airwaves.
Once someone takes a radar detector ticket far enough through the legal system, there will be no more laws against them.
Zoltan, Semi-illegal may be the best way to put it, there's a law against 'em...but the law is illegal
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">i wouldnt unplug my detector, if you get a ticket you can fight it any signals in the air are yours to look for....if the cop destroys your detector then you fight far enough through the system to prove that you are allowed to monitor the airwaves can you bring up a suit to make the police replace your detector since their law is illegal?
better yet they should also pay your court fees.
01-14-2003, 08:37 PM
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Sorry, but you are spreading a lot of misinformation about the Virginia laws and what the police will do. <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
If they smashed one up or destroyed a dash to get one out that cop would be in serious trouble. The most they can do is confiscate it for evidence, and if they do they still have to return it to you. The offense is not even a "moving violation" and there are no points for it on your license. You can review the law at: <a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1079" target="_blank">Virginia Radar Detector Law</a>
The fine for possession AND use of a radar detector is on the order of $75. Compared to the potential cost of a speeding ticket it's an easy trade-off. I'm not advocating speeding either, but some of the cops in Virginia like to set their radar traps up on the bottom of a hill (where you have to ride your brakes to stay at 55 mph) or behind a bridge abutment on an open, empty highway where driving 75-80 mph is absolutely safe. Considering the games they play, to generate revenue rather than stopping truly dangerous driving, no one needs to feel guilty for using a radar detector in Virginia.
Sorry, but you are spreading a lot of misinformation about the Virginia laws and what the police will do. <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />
If they smashed one up or destroyed a dash to get one out that cop would be in serious trouble. The most they can do is confiscate it for evidence, and if they do they still have to return it to you. The offense is not even a "moving violation" and there are no points for it on your license. You can review the law at: <a href="http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1079" target="_blank">Virginia Radar Detector Law</a>
The fine for possession AND use of a radar detector is on the order of $75. Compared to the potential cost of a speeding ticket it's an easy trade-off. I'm not advocating speeding either, but some of the cops in Virginia like to set their radar traps up on the bottom of a hill (where you have to ride your brakes to stay at 55 mph) or behind a bridge abutment on an open, empty highway where driving 75-80 mph is absolutely safe. Considering the games they play, to generate revenue rather than stopping truly dangerous driving, no one needs to feel guilty for using a radar detector in Virginia.
01-14-2003, 09:00 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by bs:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Dave:
<strong>US citizens cannot restricted from monitoring broadcasts on any frequency.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">then why can't i buy a scanner capable of receiving analog cell phone frequencies?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Good point, the way it was explained to me is that they don't violate FCC regs but instead violate wiretapping/evesdropping laws.
The scanner itself isn't illegal but listening to phone conversations is.
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Dave:
<strong>US citizens cannot restricted from monitoring broadcasts on any frequency.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">then why can't i buy a scanner capable of receiving analog cell phone frequencies?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Good point, the way it was explained to me is that they don't violate FCC regs but instead violate wiretapping/evesdropping laws.
The scanner itself isn't illegal but listening to phone conversations is.
01-14-2003, 10:07 PM
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If I were to get pulled over and switch the detector off, could the cop still detect it with one of his radar detector detectors?
Do they have to be on to be detected?
Do they have to be on to be detected?
01-14-2003, 11:46 PM
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Andy:
Yes, they have to be on to be detected, and the V1 is virtually undetectable.
Even with a V1, however, you are still vulnerable to "instant-on" radar or laser, unless there are other cars in front of you that get zapped first -- then the V1 will give you some warning by picking up the reflections of those signals. If you are out in front, all by your lonesome, and get zapped by instant-on or laser you will get nailed.
The State Police in Virginia have increasing numbers of instant-on radar and laser units on roads like I-66, I-81, and I-95, so you really need to be careful to avoid going over 80 mph or you could get nailed with a "reckless" charge. 21+ over the limit (i.e., 76 in a 55 zone) can also get that charge, which is very serious, so you need to be careful even with a top radar detector like the V1.
Yes, they have to be on to be detected, and the V1 is virtually undetectable.
Even with a V1, however, you are still vulnerable to "instant-on" radar or laser, unless there are other cars in front of you that get zapped first -- then the V1 will give you some warning by picking up the reflections of those signals. If you are out in front, all by your lonesome, and get zapped by instant-on or laser you will get nailed.
The State Police in Virginia have increasing numbers of instant-on radar and laser units on roads like I-66, I-81, and I-95, so you really need to be careful to avoid going over 80 mph or you could get nailed with a "reckless" charge. 21+ over the limit (i.e., 76 in a 55 zone) can also get that charge, which is very serious, so you need to be careful even with a top radar detector like the V1.
01-15-2003, 01:08 AM
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first of all i live in NC and go up to Va all the time to visit my sis up there.... if i go up there with a radar detector, i have to turn it off, they can't confiscate my equipment unless it's being used.... even then i doubt they can take ur equipment. if they did i would take it to court... lol.
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01-15-2003, 01:56 AM
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Regarding the destruction of the radar detectors: I did hear about this, but since I wasn't there (friend of a friend), I guess that's hersay, or urban legend.
Still, if I travel in VA, I'd disconnect my radar detector. Wait a minute, I don't have a radar detector! So why am I posting in this thread anyway?!?!
Sorry guys.
-Z-man.
Regarding the destruction of the radar detectors: I did hear about this, but since I wasn't there (friend of a friend), I guess that's hersay, or urban legend.
Still, if I travel in VA, I'd disconnect my radar detector. Wait a minute, I don't have a radar detector! So why am I posting in this thread anyway?!?!
Sorry guys.
-Z-man.