Earliest 951?
10-23-2006, 03:30 AM
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We're not counting Calloway 944 Turbo's are we....?
Yes, 1986 was the mandatory third brake light year- I've argued this w/people before- have been told of several trucks after '86 that did NOT have it & I always wondered how- glad to know. TN was the first state to do the seatbelt law & that was 1986 too. Now it's considered a pull-over offense whereas before, it was only ticketable if one were pulled over for something else & THEN found to not have one on- damn ****-*** NWO society!
My car has a sticker in the driver door showing month & year- early 1988, so I'm not even NEAR a contender for the earliest one, but I'm now looking on my window sticker & it does NOT list the month- it IS listed in the car though- I think it was March... Anyway, the last 3 digits on my VIN are 725 & judging by the #'s before them, I sincerely doubt they have anything to do w/the # of cars made- even if going by year, it would not make sense, since only ~1000 total Turbo S's were made in 1988 & ~715 showed up in US- as early as mine was, it could not have been all the way to 725. Seeing how many cars seem to be in northern VA, I think I'm about to start a whole new thread...
Yes, 1986 was the mandatory third brake light year- I've argued this w/people before- have been told of several trucks after '86 that did NOT have it & I always wondered how- glad to know. TN was the first state to do the seatbelt law & that was 1986 too. Now it's considered a pull-over offense whereas before, it was only ticketable if one were pulled over for something else & THEN found to not have one on- damn ****-*** NWO society!
My car has a sticker in the driver door showing month & year- early 1988, so I'm not even NEAR a contender for the earliest one, but I'm now looking on my window sticker & it does NOT list the month- it IS listed in the car though- I think it was March... Anyway, the last 3 digits on my VIN are 725 & judging by the #'s before them, I sincerely doubt they have anything to do w/the # of cars made- even if going by year, it would not make sense, since only ~1000 total Turbo S's were made in 1988 & ~715 showed up in US- as early as mine was, it could not have been all the way to 725. Seeing how many cars seem to be in northern VA, I think I'm about to start a whole new thread...
10-23-2006, 03:38 AM
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That's very interesting. The H in the VIN denotes a model year of 1987. However the 00008 indicates it's the 8th ever 951. Either the H should be an F, or the 00008 should be a lot higher. Nonetheless, I'd still buy it if I lived in eastern europe. 
10-23-2006, 06:00 AM
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Rich- are you sure about that # thing? If that's true, then my car was the 51,725th car made- seems like more than what I would have thought- I know it's a world-wide count, but over 51,000 turbo's by early 88...? I think the US took in ~20,000 in 1986, but there were supposed to be more 1986's than all of the other years combined. I don't know mcuh about the specifics though...
EDIT: Oh yeah- my letter is "J" & it's a 1988- if "H" is 1987, then wouldn't "I" be 1988...?
EDIT: Oh yeah- my letter is "J" & it's a 1988- if "H" is 1987, then wouldn't "I" be 1988...?
10-23-2006, 09:24 AM
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Robby yours would be the 1,725th car.
There is no "I" in the 944 becuase it could be confused with a "1"
It goes: C = 1982, D = 1983, E=1984, F=1985, G=1986, H=1987, J=1988, K=1989, L=1990, M=1991, N=1992, P=1993, R=1994, S=1995
Porshce 944 series VIN descriptions:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/P...6/VINAnat.html
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dr_scott/id.htm
http://www.derporsche.net/links/944.htm
There is no "I" in the 944 becuase it could be confused with a "1"
It goes: C = 1982, D = 1983, E=1984, F=1985, G=1986, H=1987, J=1988, K=1989, L=1990, M=1991, N=1992, P=1993, R=1994, S=1995
Porshce 944 series VIN descriptions:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/P...6/VINAnat.html
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dr_scott/id.htm
http://www.derporsche.net/links/944.htm
10-23-2006, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor
That's very interesting. The H in the VIN denotes a model year of 1987. However the 00008 indicates it's the 8th ever 951. Either the H should be an F, or the 00008 should be a lot higher. Nonetheless, I'd still buy it if I lived in eastern europe.
Konstantin has an actual MY 1985 turbo that was built in 1984.
Originally Posted by Konstantin
The 85 951 had teh same look a sthe 86 and later.
tehy were without Cat converter
I have teh first car ever sold and one of teh first ever build
Yes many parts are different but only a pro will norice that
My car is build in august 84 the front PU bumber is in Nune 84 ( I have apic of it and it is teh same as in teh cup cars) etc etc
my car is sold as a 85 car.
It was teh first car with cat and it wa steh etst car for teh USA version for teh electronic and cat.
outside is an EUR Modell.
Inside in English .
as I said many small modification and a alot of hand made parts like Intake. waterpump DME is different etc etc.
my carr is the the nr 00036-
til nr 50 the car are test cars and get destroyed. at leats teh newer ones.
In teh early years may of them escaped the car press (spelling) so the yare not destroyed but sold through some factory employments to some friend etc etc.
This si also how I got my 968 Turbo s same thing
first car build and owned by Weissach R&D Porsche Motorsprot and development Department.
It is no longer possible to get such cars like GT3 etc
Porsche takes more care and ALL these early prototype cars get destroyed
Konsatntin
tehy were without Cat converter
I have teh first car ever sold and one of teh first ever build
Yes many parts are different but only a pro will norice that
My car is build in august 84 the front PU bumber is in Nune 84 ( I have apic of it and it is teh same as in teh cup cars) etc etc
my car is sold as a 85 car.
It was teh first car with cat and it wa steh etst car for teh USA version for teh electronic and cat.
outside is an EUR Modell.
Inside in English .
as I said many small modification and a alot of hand made parts like Intake. waterpump DME is different etc etc.
my carr is the the nr 00036-
til nr 50 the car are test cars and get destroyed. at leats teh newer ones.
In teh early years may of them escaped the car press (spelling) so the yare not destroyed but sold through some factory employments to some friend etc etc.
This si also how I got my 968 Turbo s same thing
first car build and owned by Weissach R&D Porsche Motorsprot and development Department.
It is no longer possible to get such cars like GT3 etc
Porsche takes more care and ALL these early prototype cars get destroyed
Konsatntin
Originally Posted by Konstantin
oficcialy ALL Turbos had the new design. Sopme preprtotypes had teh old one but they never sold to the public
it is easy to fnd it out. check the VIN
if it is a 95 ZFN1000xx then it is a 85
they didn't sold any 84 even if they build in 84
mine has parts on it that say 1983 (like teh intake manifold) and teh head is grinded at teh part# and they put an 951 instaea of a 944 but all this si handwork.
so even cars from 83 had the new interior.
of course other exist but probably are either not Factory cars or were preprototypes but I can not imagine anyone can import one of them in the USA.
Even my car had problems with the registaration since the say " this car do NOT officially exist"
but the car was first registered on PORSCHE AG so it was easier for me :-)
Konstantin
it is easy to fnd it out. check the VIN
if it is a 95 ZFN1000xx then it is a 85
they didn't sold any 84 even if they build in 84
mine has parts on it that say 1983 (like teh intake manifold) and teh head is grinded at teh part# and they put an 951 instaea of a 944 but all this si handwork.
so even cars from 83 had the new interior.
of course other exist but probably are either not Factory cars or were preprototypes but I can not imagine anyone can import one of them in the USA.
Even my car had problems with the registaration since the say " this car do NOT officially exist"
but the car was first registered on PORSCHE AG so it was easier for me :-)
Konstantin
10-23-2006, 10:29 AM
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My 86 951 is the 134'th built. It was registered in the US in 9/85 and built in 6/85. It has no third brake light, the wrong info inside the fuel door, uses a band-style clamp for the WG to cat pipe tie in, doesn't have the "unleaded fuel only" sticker on the cluster, and has a few other parts from the early NA's. The earliest one I've sen on the list has a vin number of around 0089.
BTW, something's fishy about that "prototype", it has an 87 VIN?
BTW, something's fishy about that "prototype", it has an 87 VIN?
10-23-2006, 03:35 PM
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Regarding turbos with an early interior...
I took these pictures within the last month, at a museaum in Sinsheim, Germany. You can just make out the top of the old-style dash in the pictures, but it was pretty obvious in person. The sign in front of it said something about the car being a test car for a magazine (maybe?). The sign also said it made 210 HP, which makes it a turbo, assuming the sign is correct (the sign said nothing about a turbo, oddly).
As an interesting aside, the place had this 944, a pair of 924 rally cars, a 928S4, three 356's plus a crashed speedster, and a 914...along with a pair of Ferrari F40's and an F50, a Vector, a concorde (air france, not the chrysler version), etc etc etc...but not a single 911. Maybe they have a non-compete arrangement with the museaum in Stuttgart??
I took these pictures within the last month, at a museaum in Sinsheim, Germany. You can just make out the top of the old-style dash in the pictures, but it was pretty obvious in person. The sign in front of it said something about the car being a test car for a magazine (maybe?). The sign also said it made 210 HP, which makes it a turbo, assuming the sign is correct (the sign said nothing about a turbo, oddly).
As an interesting aside, the place had this 944, a pair of 924 rally cars, a 928S4, three 356's plus a crashed speedster, and a 914...along with a pair of Ferrari F40's and an F50, a Vector, a concorde (air france, not the chrysler version), etc etc etc...but not a single 911. Maybe they have a non-compete arrangement with the museaum in Stuttgart??
10-23-2006, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nyawn
The sign in front of it said something about the car being a test car for a magazine (maybe?). The sign also said it made 210 HP, which makes it a turbo, assuming the sign is correct (the sign said nothing about a turbo, oddly).
10-23-2006, 04:43 PM
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That's a cool museum, too bad they don't have anymore fotos of the 944 on their webpage. But the other stuff is really cool..........
http://www.museum-sinsheim.de/
http://www.museum-sinsheim.de/
10-23-2006, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Sandor
Robby yours would be the 1,725th car.
There is no "I" in the 944 becuase it could be confused with a "1"
There is no "I" in the 944 becuase it could be confused with a "1"
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