Marcquito

Pics please. Now that's also something I've never seen... some good shots of your car. I think it's due in time. I'll be waiting here. No excuses! We both have 80* weather today. Get to work.

Van

3 liter vario-cam engine
Springs/torsion bars/shocks
Sway bars
Brakes
6 speed transmission
Wheels
exterior styling cues (mirrors/door handles/bumpers)

That's about it - but the cost to upgrade a 944 with that would be more than buying a nice 968...

V2Rocket

its only about 60 here lol

problem with my car is its still kinda rough shape. it BADLY needs a pro detailing, the paint is so dull and hazy and swirly...the interior i havent vacuumed since probably september since i only drive the thing once every two weeks or so (it hasnt been with me at school) and the wheels are filthy with brake dust..

maybe later ill give it a good cleaning.

944J

i don't think it was everything, i think you can upgrade any car (pcar in this case) to far out perform any stock car...

i know the 968 has some stronger parts like:

engine, trans, parts of the suspension (not sure exactly which parts besides the rear A-arm mount), brakes? other than that what else is there that matters?

anyway my ultimate street 944 would probably be a 924 with a 968 suspension, no sunroof and a turbo body with the euro rear bumper with the rubber removed, with a lightweight 944 interior redone in leather,alcantra, or SEM color texture a ls1 with twin turbos or a twinscrew SC (i recently the guys at http://thepolishingshop.com/ took me to see an amazing sleeper camaro [among a bunch of other amazing formula race cars] with an ls1 with twin turbos that puts out over 1700HP and does a 8 second quarter mile according to hotrod magazine), upgraded shocks, upgraded torsion bar, 4 hatches to pick and choose from -> small 924 wing, regular 944 wing, regular 968 wing, 968 trs hoop wing, front street lip, 968 or little ricer mirrors, 968 or shaved doors handles, 18x10rear 18x8front twists or cups, bucket headlights from duetsch9, new steering wheel, updated guages maybe with digital features, lowered so the body sits parallel to the ground ( i hate when 944's rise up in the rear).

i'd also be happy with a turbo motor and a vitesse kit or a s2 or 968 motor that is turbo's or supercharged with lower compression pistions and forged rods with a strong head gasket among other things.

maybe also a broadfoot racing wide body kit

JakeS2

Check [x] (comes with DME & MAF)

S2 M030's, check [x]

S2 M030, check [x]

Big Blacks, check [x]

Nope, and would prefer the S2 AOT box with Quaife.

Check[x]

Mirrors, handles, check[x]

Depends. My project cost me so far $5k. I've sold the blown S2 engine as parts with ~2k, so that comes down to $3k. Anyone with 968s with $3k call me 24/h!!!

Ok, seriously. If you're building that out of 2.5L N/A then price tag is totally different.

944J

different how?

Van

Because the S2 MO30 has a lot of the 968 suspension and brake goodies.

944J

which ones to be exact?

how about weiltmeister sway bars and springs? how do they compare to 968?

porcho heat

You're tellin' me

944J

http://www.automotion.com/productpag...ign=PP_Froogle

944J

care to elaborate?

porcho heat

If you're putting a 968 engine into an originally 2.5L N/A you've got a lot of work to do
If the car is early you'll have to have some custom fabbed fuel lines.
If the car is early you'll also need to find a way to route the 968 wiring harness, or make a new one (968 DME is on passenger side, early 944 is under steering wheel) You'll also need a late style 16 pin connector and a lot of patience to get the early body-side harness wired correctly into the late engine-side.

If you're running the stock wheels (as I have been so far) Don't expect much traction in first... second.... and most of third on dry pavement. You really need at least some 245's out there to harness the power.

You don't have to upgrade brakes, but if you do, there's some more money (either turbo brakes or wilwoods like I went with)

You're going to need a transaxle eventually with the extra power of the 3.0L, and you're going to need an S2 flywheel if you plan to use any of the 5spd transaxles.. and a 968 bellhousing/TT/DMF/and possibly some trans tunnel mods when using the 6spd (I didn't go this route so I don't have much info, FWIW a 944S LSD trans is really fun =) )

You'll need to also find a solution to not being able to use the 968 intake box... What I did was turn the J-boot in the other direction and slap a cone filter on the MAF... It's been working fine so far but I'm unhappy with it and I'm still searching for a solution (I'll have a better idea once I drill the nose panel off)

You'll need to spend about 100 dollars at an exhaust shop for them to fab up a new Y pipe to connect the 968 headers to the 944 exhaust (it's mounted in a slightly different orientation)

Also, I'm not sure if it was just me, but I had to take off both of the spacers on my Linsdsey Ultra mounts to get the engine to clear... So my engine is 10mm lower than stock.

That's not even counting any while you're in there parts (There's lots, shifter rod, shifter, clutch etc.)

944J

sounds smarter to just use a s2 engine with a turbo or supercharger... what do you gain from the 968 that you cant get from an S2 engine... others have done the 968 swap into a late 944 and said it was straight forward.

post some pics of your engine bay

Van

Are you trying to make the ultimate street car, or the ultimate track car?

A street car, to me, is sporty and fun with a decent suspension. (Like the 968 I mentioned before.)

If you want a track car, you want solid suspension bushings and adjustable swaybars and shocks as a start.

For a street car, the 3.0 liter NA motor will be very fun. For the track, you can make more power with a custom 951 engine.

In my opinion, if you like 944s, either of these courses of action would be cheaper if you start out with either a 968 or 951 donor car.

Plain 944s are great cars - don't get me wrong. But their best attribute is the low cost of entry to own one. Maintenance might not be cheap, but there aren't many other cars out there where you can get as much "performance bang for your buck".

But, that isn't comparing 944s to the performance of modern cars (either on the street or the track). Your original post asked about the "ultimate 944 street car". To most people that means a 944 platform that's reasonably quick, handles reasonably well, is very comfortable to drive, and is a car that you look forward to jumping in to both run errands and take a 500 mile road trip.

If you want to turn a 944 into something it isn't (like a 968, for example), it's my guess that you'll buy an engine core for $4 or $5k, put that much into it again rebuilding it; $2k for installing it; spend $2k on shocks/springs/struts; another $500 on sway bars; perhaps another $1k on suspension bushings; $2k on brakes; $1k on wheels to fit over the new brakes; $500 for an exhaust; $1500 for a transmission that can handle the power (might as well get one with an LSD); and, just to round it out, let's say an extra few grand for misc and "while you're in there" parts.

So, that's about $25,000 on top of your $4,000 944. Nearly $30k for a 944?!?! People on here do it all the time. I have more than that in my 944, FWIW.

For $15k, you can buy that 951S that's listed in this forum! You can get nice 968s for around that price. For $25k-$30k, you can buy a really nice 996.

I suppose I'll leave you with this advice: If you want to "build" any car, take the time to understand what you want it to become - there may be an easier (cheaper) way to get there. And: if you are budget limited, after figuring out how much you have to spend, buy the nicest example of the car you can afford (i.e. $5k spent on a really nice one or two owner 944 is a better deal than $5k spent on a beat-up, abused turbo that has passed through several owners who have tried to modify it but have been too cheap to fix little problems.)

p.s. Some might say that George's 951 is the ultimate street car... Look for some posts about it - or even European Car Magazine (is that right?) Send him a PM and ask what his budget was... You may be surprised. People don't go that route to save money - they do it because they like 944s.

theedge

2.7 liter big bore with Vitesse Stg 2
Bilstein Escort Cups with 400/500 springs
Elephant Racing Monoballs/Poly Bearings
Welt Stage 2 swapbars
Dynatech Camber Plates
KEP Stg 2 pressure plate and lightweight stock flywheel
AC/Power steering delete

Then again my definition of streetable is slightly different.....