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Old 12-14-2008, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay W
2 things I can think of. Did you get the cam caps (whatever they are called) put back in the correct locations? They have numbers on them so that would be easy to double check. Since they are line bored, an out of place one will make the cam bind up. And I seem to remember someone over tightening the cam caps and the engine was hard to turn over due to the binding it caused.
i know that....I probly found the problem...see when i crank the engine the cam chain goes up and down...so its not adjusted right..
Old 12-14-2008, 09:27 PM
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wait are you cranking the engine by hand? or actually trying to start it?
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Originally Posted by jstand22
wait are you cranking the engine by hand? or actually trying to start it?
i was starting it...both ways the chain with the tensioner moves up and down...so i get the longer part down then,the longer part moves up and so on..
Old 12-14-2008, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RED87944S
i was starting it...both ways the chain with the tensioner moves up and down...so i get the longer part down then,the longer part moves up and so on..
What does your voltmeter read on the dash? Mine did this too and my battery just needed a good charge. As long as you were able to rotate the engine by hand and it didn't require much force it should start.
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Originally Posted by jstand22
What does your voltmeter read on the dash? Mine did this too and my battery just needed a good charge. As long as you were able to rotate the engine by hand and it didn't require much force it should start.
over 12v .....you have understand what i am saying with the chain..The longer part of the chain goes up then it goes down and when it goes down thats when it turns hard...so the longer part of the chain ends up being on the bottom of the chain tensioner and it hangs there!!! THIS CANT BE NORMAL..LONGER PART (5 NON TOACHING LINKS) SHOULD ALLWAY BE AT THE TOP RIGHT?

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before i take the cams off again shouldnt the chain tensioner keep the longer part of the chain up...i am not sure how the tensioner works dose the oil make it stiffer or something?
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oil pressure puts tension on it.
Old 12-14-2008, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay W
oil pressure puts tension on it.
thats what i thought..i lost 2 washers from the tube..i plan on geting new ones..maybe that cause some king of pressure lose..
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When you turned the engine by hand, were there any spots where it just seemed to hang up, other than overcoming engine compresson?
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Originally Posted by Jay W
When you turned the engine by hand, were thre any spots where it just seemed to hang up, other than overcoming engine compresson?
by hang up u mean stop? no,i know how it was,it gets hard at times then mostly easy thats how it should be..now it seems like that harder spot is a bid longer..i am almost positive its the chain..because i can see it swich to the bottom and thats when it gets hard..do i have to remove the distributor to get to the 3 bolts on the side,in order to remove the chain?
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is it pushed in further than the first picture I posted at the beginning of the thread?
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Originally Posted by jstand22
is it pushed in further than the first picture I posted at the beginning of the thread?
yes and no...it goes up and down while i am turning the engine or starting it...
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i wonder if the two washers that fell in the oil pan have anything to do with this..
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Originally Posted by RED87944S
i wonder if the two washers that fell in the oil pan have anything to do with this..
Well the unit doesn't get any hydraulic pressure until the car is actually on or cranking fast enough. It is spring loaded which is how it keeps the correct cam timing when stopped or cranking slower. The only time I've seen one go down further than my picture is when there were valves hitting a piston. When I turned my engine over by hand and watched mine it didn't budge.

How much torque do you think you're applying when you turn the engine by hand? And are the plugs out?
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Originally Posted by jstand22
Well the unit doesn't get any hydraulic pressure until the car is actually on or cranking fast enough. It is spring loaded which is how it keeps the correct cam timing when stopped or cranking slower. The only time I've seen one go down further than my picture is when there were valves hitting a piston. When I turned my engine over by hand and watched mine it didn't budge.

How much torque do you think you're applying when you turn the engine by hand? And are the plugs out?
umm about 70-80 at the hardest point..i had the plug out and in.....the lifters i put in the engine came from a S2..


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