Altezza style lighting
06-02-2002, 01:19 AM
#31
Nordschleife Master
[quote]Originally posted by Water944t:
<strong> An engine not designed for boost, and no suspension mods. Whee, what fun.
Can you spell "repair shop investor-in-waiting"?
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Tell that too Huntley and SFR about their NA superchargers
<strong> An engine not designed for boost, and no suspension mods. Whee, what fun.
Can you spell "repair shop investor-in-waiting"?
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Tell that too Huntley and SFR about their NA superchargers
06-02-2002, 07:57 PM
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Lately when I see "rice" I have been trying to be more understanding. Just like the art I see in museums that I don't get, I throw these "rice" culture cars in with it. To each his own. It's the people that drive like their brain is the size of a grain of rice that I don't have tolerance for. Porsche drivers included. Altezza lights or not, idiots drive all makes and models. I'm thinking of getting a big 6 ton military transport dueley and ricing it out. I'll put an actuall Cow catcher from a train on the front bumper for that Ricey "racing" look, and an aircraft tail section in the rear with functional flaps. I'll fill the rest of the bed with bass equipment so big and heavy that anyone who wants to have a sound contest at a light will have to replace their windshield and visit an ear specialist, and if some one wants to race I will have nitrous on that big diesel. The entire thing will be lowered and painted neon green including the pimpin rims I will add, ohh, and I won't forget the matching colored lighting under neath. Now if any of you photo shop guys wanna hook me up with a pic, I'd appreciate it. Just warn me so I can get the bucket ready 
06-02-2002, 11:20 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by OC Porsche:
<strong>All that effort & $$$ wasted on a treehugging, granola eating, gas sipping, whale loving, tofu cooking, </strong><hr></blockquote>
FYI, The Japanese government supports whaling for "research purposes". Coincidentally, they also get to use all the products of the killed whales.
Raw whale tastes GOOOOOOOD!!! Especially with a little tofu on the side.
<strong>All that effort & $$$ wasted on a treehugging, granola eating, gas sipping, whale loving, tofu cooking, </strong><hr></blockquote>
FYI, The Japanese government supports whaling for "research purposes". Coincidentally, they also get to use all the products of the killed whales.
Raw whale tastes GOOOOOOOD!!! Especially with a little tofu on the side.
06-03-2002, 11:20 AM
#36
Race Director
Asking about Altezza's on a Porsche board is like taking your puppy to a dog fight with a sweater on him. (Well, the puppy thing sounded funny 20 years ago when I read it in a Charlie Brown strip...)
All I can say is:
Please take no offense to my opinion. I just think altezza's are wrong. Just wrong...
-Z.
All I can say is:
Please take no offense to my opinion. I just think altezza's are wrong. Just wrong...
-Z.
06-04-2002, 12:23 AM
#38
Race Director
[quote]Originally posted by Water944t:
<strong>But you cannot convince me that a modern Honda Civic Si, designed primarilyaround the idea of being a value leader is ever going to be the equal of a car like a 944. They simply are apples and oranges.
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While I agree with you generally about the Honduh, and the 944 was a pretty exceptional car at the time, there are certain modern inexpensive Japanese cars that will easily hang with or beat an NA 944 on a race track. My 91 Sentra SE-R is one of those cars. Light weight, great brakes, one of the best production engines you'll want to find, and extremely forgiving on the race track as well as very fast. There are some others out there as well.
the SR20DE engine takes to turbocharging quite well. I have two friends who have put down 400 hp to the wheels on totally stock internals (this being a NA engine from the factory - although a factory turbo engine was available in Japan) and 9.5:1 CR.
I race a friend's SE-R in SCCA ITS racing and it's every bit as good as the 944. The only bummer is it's FWD, but what counts is where you finish.
I'm building an ITS 944, but think my bud's SE-R has more potential.
We have a lot of folks who DE with their SE-Rs and they embarrass a lot of cars that folks think are better.
I'm not so sure it is apples and oranges, or not as much as you'd think.
[quote]Originally posted by Water944t:
<strong>The 944 was also designed to be a value leader type-car, but it is also a Porsche. From a company that until just recently built only sports cars.
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And now they build trucks. Woo hoo.
[quote]Originally posted by Water944t:
<strong>It has a body structure designed to be thrown through corners, suspension to match.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The SE-R has the suspension, although the coachwork is a flexi-flyer. BTW, don't forget the suspension of the early 944 is VW/Audi derived.
[quote]Originally posted by Water944t:
<strong>Yes, the Honda can take some boost. But there is no way a smaller displacement engine, running less boost, with front wheel drive, and a tranny designed for 130HP, is ever going to be a 944/951.</strong><hr></blockquote>
As the power goes up, that becomes truer and truer, but you might be surprised. I have several friends with 300 hp to the wheels turbo SE-Rs that are daily drivers that I'd bet a six of my beloved Shiner Bock would hang with a dailer driver 951 with similar hp.
I'm not trying to come into a Porsche forum and talk smack. I hate that sort of thing and I am a 944 owner. But remember that the 944/951 are based on mid to late 70s technology. Modern Japanese cars have come a long way.
Oh, and put a good turbo engine in a second gen CRX Si and race a 951... Those CRXs are really light weight with a great suspension and they're blisteringly fast. Even an NA CRX Si that is set up for track use is incredibly fast and can embarrass some impressive cars.
They just don't have the boutique appeal.
But I will agree that most of the ricey cars don't have the goods.
<strong>But you cannot convince me that a modern Honda Civic Si, designed primarilyaround the idea of being a value leader is ever going to be the equal of a car like a 944. They simply are apples and oranges.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
While I agree with you generally about the Honduh, and the 944 was a pretty exceptional car at the time, there are certain modern inexpensive Japanese cars that will easily hang with or beat an NA 944 on a race track. My 91 Sentra SE-R is one of those cars. Light weight, great brakes, one of the best production engines you'll want to find, and extremely forgiving on the race track as well as very fast. There are some others out there as well.
the SR20DE engine takes to turbocharging quite well. I have two friends who have put down 400 hp to the wheels on totally stock internals (this being a NA engine from the factory - although a factory turbo engine was available in Japan) and 9.5:1 CR.
I race a friend's SE-R in SCCA ITS racing and it's every bit as good as the 944. The only bummer is it's FWD, but what counts is where you finish.
I'm building an ITS 944, but think my bud's SE-R has more potential.
We have a lot of folks who DE with their SE-Rs and they embarrass a lot of cars that folks think are better.
I'm not so sure it is apples and oranges, or not as much as you'd think.
[quote]Originally posted by Water944t:
<strong>The 944 was also designed to be a value leader type-car, but it is also a Porsche. From a company that until just recently built only sports cars.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
And now they build trucks. Woo hoo.
[quote]Originally posted by Water944t:
<strong>It has a body structure designed to be thrown through corners, suspension to match.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
The SE-R has the suspension, although the coachwork is a flexi-flyer. BTW, don't forget the suspension of the early 944 is VW/Audi derived.
[quote]Originally posted by Water944t:
<strong>Yes, the Honda can take some boost. But there is no way a smaller displacement engine, running less boost, with front wheel drive, and a tranny designed for 130HP, is ever going to be a 944/951.</strong><hr></blockquote>
As the power goes up, that becomes truer and truer, but you might be surprised. I have several friends with 300 hp to the wheels turbo SE-Rs that are daily drivers that I'd bet a six of my beloved Shiner Bock would hang with a dailer driver 951 with similar hp.
I'm not trying to come into a Porsche forum and talk smack. I hate that sort of thing and I am a 944 owner. But remember that the 944/951 are based on mid to late 70s technology. Modern Japanese cars have come a long way.
Oh, and put a good turbo engine in a second gen CRX Si and race a 951... Those CRXs are really light weight with a great suspension and they're blisteringly fast. Even an NA CRX Si that is set up for track use is incredibly fast and can embarrass some impressive cars.
They just don't have the boutique appeal.
But I will agree that most of the ricey cars don't have the goods.
