can you do a burn out in a 944 N/A
09-17-2008, 05:14 PM
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The R&P is in the transmission, that's why its referred to as a transaxle. You need to replace the whole thing as a unit. As mentioned previously in this thread, just replacing the R&P is way more expensive than just finding a decent used transaxle.
09-17-2008, 06:24 PM
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You can do just the R&P. On the 928 it's not too bad, we did one but the trans was out of the car. It might be possible in the car on the 928. Not sure for 944.
Of course a swap is quick, but then what about your synchros and bearings etc. that might be better or worse in a used tranny - you don't really know....
Of course a swap is quick, but then what about your synchros and bearings etc. that might be better or worse in a used tranny - you don't really know....
09-17-2008, 10:31 PM
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Yep.
empty Gravel parking lot can be fun and easy on the parts.
On the street to look cool is just embarassing for you.
that stupid rubber center on your clutch is falling apart one way or another.
This is not the car to buy if you can't afford immediate maintenance even if the initial cost is cheap.
empty Gravel parking lot can be fun and easy on the parts.
On the street to look cool is just embarassing for you.
that stupid rubber center on your clutch is falling apart one way or another.
This is not the car to buy if you can't afford immediate maintenance even if the initial cost is cheap.
09-18-2008, 02:17 AM
#39
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maybe I should do some burnouts when i get my new spring centered clutch kit installed.
lol or maybe not. don't want to replace the transmission also.
I dont' get the point of doing burnouts other than putting stress on your cars and burning you tires.
I guess it looks cool.
I'd get a transam for doing burnouts.
lol or maybe not. don't want to replace the transmission also.
I dont' get the point of doing burnouts other than putting stress on your cars and burning you tires.
I guess it looks cool.
I'd get a transam for doing burnouts.
09-18-2008, 08:54 AM
#40
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You've obviously never replaced the R&P in a 944 transaxle.
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Replacing the R&P in the 944 trans is possible for a fairly experienced home mechanic with lots of time on his hands, quite a few specialty tools, the right parts, and access to a press or a machine shop. I'd rate this job a 8.5 out of 10 on the difficulty scale. (1= changing your oil, 10 = total engine rebuild).
Putting in a new R&P is expensive. You've got the cost of the tools (some specialty VW items, take a look in the FSM for what I am referring to). The cost of the R&P (depending on source, anywhere from 700-1100 bucks). Shims. WYAIT you should do the bearings, seals, and possibly synchros. Then the cost of the machine shop (if you don't have a press). Then getting the lash correct on the R&P is extremely time consuming.
I've done this a couple times now so I can speak from experience. So have a couple others on this BBS. By the time it is all said and done, you could buy 4-6 decent used 944 transmissions at the going rate. Yes it is nice to know you have a trans that won't blow up anytime soon, but to most it isn't worth it. Unless you are like me and you have grenaded so many you have lost count and/or you want to tackle it as a project. Don't even think about undertaking this if the car is your daily driver and you need the car done and one the road in a finite amount of time.
Its generally thought that the 88-89 transaxles are the most robust of the 8V N/A units. The rate of failure on this is fairly low (although this could be skewed when taking into account the production numbers). If a car has been driven for any amount of time with a busted rubber-centered clutch it does put a huge strain on the R&P. So when shopping for a used transaxle, the best would be an 88/89 model with low miles and hopefully a known history.
But again, they are so cheap (at the moment, could change in 10 years), even if you bought one that grenaded at 10-15K miles after you installed it, you would still be ahead of the game to go thru that scenario a few times verses tackling a rebuild and putting in a new R&P.
I know that some vendors sell "rebuilt" 944 transaxles but they don't have a new R&P installed. They have been taken apart, had new synchros and bearings installed, and "inspected" before being put back together. Honestly to me this doesn't fill me full of confidence that the R&P isn't going to grenade itself at some point down the road.
Just my two cents.
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09-18-2008, 10:50 AM
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Okay I own a 87 944 N/A. I was told that if you do a burn out then it could mess something up really badly. I don't know what. I have seen 944 turbo's doing burnouts all the time. I am not saying I want to do it all the time but I have never done a burn out ever. I think it will be cool if I did it once.
