harrisonrick

Not that I am speaking for every NA owner here...but that's pretty darned expensive. It'd be smarter to buy a good 951 with mods for that kind of $.

My .02.

Jfrahm

Sure, if that's what you want. I've had two 951's myself and with the 2.5 I just don't care for the lack of low-end torque. Plus I also like the cabrios and the 968 body, and in the USA you can't just buy a Turbo Cab or a 968 turbo.

You may have also overlooked the fact that this is not a kit for the 944NA but rather for the S2 or 968.

-Joel.

harrisonrick

true. still expensive though.

JohanvdWalt

Power is expensive.

Compare the price of a 318i with that of a 335i, apart for the power they are mostly the same car!

Same goes for a C180 vs a C63/65 what ever its called - you get the idea.

harrisonrick

I guess you could say same goes for 944 to 944S...or any car. Good point. maybe I'm a cheap SOB then.



I'm not that sharp when it comes to a turbo system, but are all turbos intercooled? I had a Dodge 600 turbo when I was in highschool (yes, I was a geek) was it intercooled too?

Can a turbo run without an intercooler?

iamgod

plus look at the price of a turbo kit for bmw or other highend car...for quality parts on a not so common car and considering the kit components i think its a high but reasonable price.

JohanvdWalt

Yes it can, but because of the heat you will not be able to boost as high due to detonation, so it will make a lot less power.
There are quite a few Diesel pick-ups on the market without inter-coolers on which aftermarket coolers are fitted with around 20% increase in power.

Johan

white924s

most ceainly can - I've built racecar engines with small Garrett turbos and no intercoolers...

of course, those engines were based off of Yamaha R6 engines (12.8:1 comp ratio), and were designed to spool as quickly as possible (getting low end torque out of a restrictor-plated 600cc inline 4 is a bit of a trick hah). The engine ran on ethanol, which helps cool things down too, and I determined that, for the boost we were running, the pressure drop and flow restriction from adding an intercooler outweighed the benefits of being abel to turn the boost **** up higher.

If you're using a different engine and have different goals (eg peak hp vs. width of torque peak), YMMV

Rich Sandor

There's PLENTY of room in an S2 or 968 for an intercooler if you replace the gigantic airbox with a cone filter. That would certainly be a no-brainer for me, if I were to turbo my 968.

jstand22

Tim, any reason this wouldn't work on an S?

white924s

While I don't have an S2 or 968, if I were to turbo my car, I actually probably wouldn't intercool it. Reason being that I wouldn't do anyhting other than a low boost system (max boost 5-6 psi). I would do this so I could size a turbo for a broad powerband and avoid putting too much excess strain on the drivetrain. The airbox would probably go though and I would mount the turbo on the pass. side like Callaway did

Viperns

also curious about this.

Is there any way a low boost 6-7psi system could be developed or put together. Maybe using 951 parts and such. What would be needed to bolt the 951 turbo to the S manifold? Could it run off the s DME or would it need the turbo DME?