nine-44

Never went to college, but I did take 4 years for ebonics in highschool. J/K Maybe it really is Dinitrowhatevr, but nitrous oxide could be a ricer term from way way back that just stuck <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Matt O.

[quote]Originally posted by nine-44:
<strong>but nitrous oxide could be a ricer term from way way back that just stuck </strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

BTW, Daly944 when you want to update us start an entirely new thread because I keep checking this one when I see it bumped...and it's nothing more then chemistry nerds arguing. JK!

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bs

nitrous oxide is the correct name for N20, commonly called "nitrous" or "laughing gas".

do any of you know if nitrous for automotive use is adultured with some "denaturing" agent as automotive ethanol is? ie, i know they add benzene and some other crap to ethanol fuels so you can't distill yourself some 190 proof moonshine.... but is automotive nitrous pure?

a line from homer simpson comes to mind, although i think the context was actually alcohol fueled cars...

"one for you, one for me..."

Matt O.

[quote]Originally posted by bs:
<strong>nitrous oxide is the correct name for N20, commonly called "nitrous" or "laughing gas".
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I am very sure the stuff the doc uses as "laughing gas" is NOT the same stuff injected into cars. That means....AMAF and others...DON'T try inhaling your NOS kits!!

-Matt

david fracolli

Basically it is the same. The only difference is that the N2O used for racing has a chemical added so that people do not inhale it. Right now I am having a brain fart and cannot remember what is added.
I do remember though that when I first started using NOS back in the early 80's it was exactly the same as what doctors used. In fact I used to get my tank filled at a medical supply company.

HY M8NC

The way I heard the story was...

A dentist "Dr. Laughin" was experimenting in the early 30's on a new type of fuel mixture for his car. The car exploded, and he went back to find another use for the "laughin Gas" as a pain killer. The chemical make-up of the two is different, but based on the same elements. During the second world war, British and American fighters used a derivative of the gas for high altitude climbing power.

I don't know if it's true, my mind is a wasteland of useless knowledge.

FormulaOne10

If the formula is is N2O then that would be Dinitrogen Monoxide (two nonmetals to you use the latin prefixes to denote the number of each atom). At the same time, there are many Oxides of Nitrogen. The "Nitrous" part denotes the form with two nitrogens present.

Also, while the "stuff" injected into cars may not be pure N20(I really don't know what its exact composition is), it certainly contains N20 which *IS* the same anestetic used by dental professionals (and sometimes non-professionals ).

The reaction (2N20 = 2N2 + 02 + Heat) is the decomposition of N2O when sufficiently heated. Notice a few things about this reaction:

-More oxygen = better fuel combustion
-3 Moles of gas are produced instead of the 2 initially started with (this is going to give the piston a little extra boost since your pressure will be greater (PV=nRT).
-The Nitrogen will buffer the cylinder pressure and further enchance combustion
-Extra heat will be exothermically liberated, even further enhancing the combustion

Also, the heat of vaporization(endothermic) for the Nitrous Oxide (or what you will) reduces the intake temperature allowing even more oxygen into the combustion chamber.

Edit: And BTW, I don't know where you got that story from HY M8NC, but the discovery of N20 and the term "Laughing Gas" were both the efforts of the English scientist Joseph Priestley in 1793. Laughing gas was used in 19th century fairs and carnivals as a novelty. Customers would pay for some time worth of inhaling the gas, and then would proceed to "laugh" and act like a fool while under the influence of the gas. So there is actually something to the name "Laughing Gas."


Hope this ties up a few loose ends...

Jfrahm

Sulphur Dioxide is added to the N2O to prevent recreational use when it is sold as a power adder.

-Joel.

Enzo's Nightmare

Thank you Formula.

marksportcts

I would not recommend running Zex or any other form of dry nitrous oxide system on any car. By running dry, you risk leaning out and blowing your motor. Dry system rely on the stock EFI to provide the additional fuel. They do this by increasing the fuel pressure, some applications also the injector pulse width. Adding a 50hp shot of nos you will need to increase the fuel pressure to nearly double of stock, at which point the injectors can go static.

Joe944

Aren't there nitrous systems that will retard the timing when you engage it so that you won't cause any problems?

marksportcts

Yep, you need the nitrous controller to do that, such as MSD or the Jacobs Nitrous Mastermind.

44mag

So does any body know what happened to this guy that put this kit in his car, I don't care much for reading three pages of a debate on how to say nitrous oxide...

Racer4n

NAWZ

Legoland951

Dinitrous oxide? I wouldn't want to call C2H3O2 dicarbon trihydrogen dioxide instead of acetate or HgOCN something other than fulminated mercury (better know as the explosive salt in the primer of a bullet). Nitrogen has 5 outer valence electrons and oxygen has 6 and according to the octet rule they need 8...... anyways when you hit the button it goes fast. Who cares what the emperical formula for nitrous is? NOS stands for Nitrous Oxide Systems and as far as I know it is a brand and not a name. Nitrous is the common name so if you have zex nitrous setup you probably wouldn't want to call it NOS. Anyways, I love the idea you are using nitrous because I seen a couple at the local Porsche performance shop use it in their car. According to them, when used PROPERLY, it cleans the combustion chamber better than burning only gas and gives you power without destroying your engine. Post some pictures when you are done.