Why do S2000's keep racing me? (or what should I replace my 951 with?)
10-26-2007, 11:01 PM
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Not true.
First off. Let me be the first to tell everyone here on rennlist something important. The 951 (S or not) isn't the best looking, fastest, best handling, newest, coolest car on the road. Sorry. Get over it.
10-26-2007, 11:16 PM
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But the S2000, at least to me, is no where near the status of a Porsche 944 Turbo. As far as I'm concerned, it's a slightly quicker Mazda Miata.
Todd,
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10-27-2007, 12:01 AM
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10-27-2007, 12:56 AM
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10-27-2007, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Teamking
Look, top speed is proportional to the cube-root of HORSEPOWER. ..
...how is hp to the 1/3 power have anything to do with topspeed. Thats basicly stating that HP is proportional to topspeed (A true statement). Now, I agree with "power under the curve" but the 951 has more under the curve. Its one of the reasons the top speed of the 951S is like 10mph higher then a S2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamic_drag
Note that the power needed to push an object through a fluid increases as the cube of the velocity. A car cruising on a highway at 50 mph (80 km/h) may require only 10 horsepower (7.5 kW) to overcome air drag, but that same car at 100 mph (160 km/h) requires 80 hp (60 kW). With a doubling of speed the drag (force) quadruples per the formula. Exerting four times the force over a fixed distance produces four times as much work. At twice the speed the work (resulting in displacement over a fixed distance) is done twice as fast. Since power is the rate of doing work, four times the work done in half the time requires eight times the power.
10-27-2007, 01:11 AM
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s2000 is a lame car imo. don't like the looks. it may be quick but it's a 4 banger and it's a honda.
for that kind of money there are a lot of other cars I'd like more.
honda s2000 would be nice ona track but daily driving when are you going to be reving it to 9000 rpm to get the power lol.
for that kind of money there are a lot of other cars I'd like more.
honda s2000 would be nice ona track but daily driving when are you going to be reving it to 9000 rpm to get the power lol.
10-27-2007, 01:30 AM
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just last weekend I ran with my Charlotte p-car buds on a NC mountain fun run. 951's, 944's, S2's and a twin turbo 300Z - we ran hard and ALL the cars were awesome. Afterwards, I was even more impressed with the S2k.
Say what you want or what you think. I really dont want to go on about Honda on this board - But, anyone who owns this car loves how pure the concept is and the commitment Honda made to squeeze eveything it could out of it. Doing more with less - I think that is the Porsche way, or the way it once was.
I like several cars. They dont always serve the same purpose. The S2k is balanced, planted and cuts a corner like a razor. The six-speed gearbox is quite possibly the best in the world and the motor is simply brilliant. Hey, it looks pretty too.
We're all Porsche guys and we like how things sound - download you one of them videos on YouTube of an S2k on the track and listen to that motor. They all sound like that - right out of the box. It's beautiful I tell you.
Say what you want or what you think. I really dont want to go on about Honda on this board - But, anyone who owns this car loves how pure the concept is and the commitment Honda made to squeeze eveything it could out of it. Doing more with less - I think that is the Porsche way, or the way it once was.
I like several cars. They dont always serve the same purpose. The S2k is balanced, planted and cuts a corner like a razor. The six-speed gearbox is quite possibly the best in the world and the motor is simply brilliant. Hey, it looks pretty too.
We're all Porsche guys and we like how things sound - download you one of them videos on YouTube of an S2k on the track and listen to that motor. They all sound like that - right out of the box. It's beautiful I tell you.
10-27-2007, 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by teamking
Look, top speed is proportional to the cube-root of HORSEPOWER. If it's a diesel making 240 HP (because it makes 480 ft lbs at 2600) or an F20C making 240 HP (because it makes 160 ft lbs at 7800 (I'm just using rough numbers for this example)), it doesn't matter. Top speed will be the same, assuming that both engines are properly geared.
What matters during acceleration is area under HORSEPOWER curve. Since it has low HORSEPOWER at low RPM's, the S2000 is slow under a rolling start condition. Of course, this problem is eliminated in a standing start by doing a high RPM clutch drop (I use 5K to 6K, depending on conditions).
What matters during acceleration is area under HORSEPOWER curve. Since it has low HORSEPOWER at low RPM's, the S2000 is slow under a rolling start condition. Of course, this problem is eliminated in a standing start by doing a high RPM clutch drop (I use 5K to 6K, depending on conditions).
I suggest you start with this:
http://craig.backfire.ca/pages/autos/horsepower
Conclusion
In order to quickly accelerate a vehicle, the engine must be able to make a large force at the speed that the vehicle is traveling. The amount of power determines the force that the engine can create at a given speed, whether it is a very low speed or a very high speed. It does not matter if the engine makes power by revving high or making a lot of torque, because drivetrain gearing can be used to adjust the torque and revs proportionally.
The vehicle with the largest average acceleration is the one that has the largest average force going to the pavement through a wide range of speeds.
" Peak power sells cars. High average power wins races. "
In order to quickly accelerate a vehicle, the engine must be able to make a large force at the speed that the vehicle is traveling. The amount of power determines the force that the engine can create at a given speed, whether it is a very low speed or a very high speed. It does not matter if the engine makes power by revving high or making a lot of torque, because drivetrain gearing can be used to adjust the torque and revs proportionally.
The vehicle with the largest average acceleration is the one that has the largest average force going to the pavement through a wide range of speeds.
" Peak power sells cars. High average power wins races. "
10-27-2007, 01:37 AM
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I was told that one of the tests of the F20C engine prior to production was running it at 10,000 RPM for 24 hours; they tore it down afterward and found no ill effects.
10-27-2007, 01:57 AM
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