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Thanks, Back at ya, its weird I am learning so much at work that i dont even realize it till i get to discuss it with others... Thats one of the reasons i am so happy to be in the position i am, I feel that i can help people on here more now due to my job, and that is my goal
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Never said the Cayenne wasn't an amazing SUV. I said that I find it comical to say they don't want to dilute the brand of a high end SPORTS car company when they sell an SUV and are getting into NASCAR. I mean, they started making TRACTORS for crying outloud. For people to say they are too good for an entry-priced car is hilarious. Mr. Porsche made THE entry-priced car!! The original Bug. My guess is Ferdinand would disagree with that snob attitude.
You are right I have not driven a Cayman. But I have driven a Boxster (non-S) and definitely wasn't impressed enough to want to pay base price FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for one.
My comment about it not being THAT much more of a car still stands. For what it SHOULD be vs what it IS. I'm saying the Boxster SHOULD outperform the 944 on EVERY level and the fact we are even talking about them, comparing them, proves there's an issue. Technological increases in automobiles dictate that the car SHOULD whale on a 944 for the same price or less (taking into account inflation). Someone brought up the Corvette, and that's a perfect example. Another is the Zs we've been talking about (Datsun 200Z vs Nissan 350Z).
One can dream right? I don't want a Porsche Civic, but I think a $35k-market car should not be completely out of the question for Porsche, and that there are actually life-long Porsche fans who don't see the Boxster as the end all that Porsche seems to make it out to be.
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Secondly, The engine costs $8k. (which, for the record, isn't exactly small change for a car that now costs $30k). The associated costs (labor, seals, etc) drive the replacement up to the $13-14k range - and that's while supply is plentiful and dealer mechanics are trained.
A Corvette Z06 longblock costs $11-13k. A 911 engine with 4 cams and an unconventional design (a flat 6 isn't compact- more resources than a smallblock) cannot possibly cost "only" $8k without the company losing money on each one they sell.
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It could go higher. My uncle theorizes that they're keeping the price artificially low because of the number of engines that need replacement. 10 years ago when they have no obligation to service these cars, an engine could be $20k plus.
A Corvette Z06 longblock costs $11-13k. A 911 engine with 4 cams and an unconventional design (a flat 6 isn't compact- more resources than a smallblock) cannot possibly cost "only" $8k without costing the company a little money.
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Since the Boxster engine is so "relatively" cheap, can someone please make the hardware to mount it in a 944? Is that even possible? Would be a cool project.
By the way, I do not dislike the Cayenne. In fact, I'd love to own one. I understand from a business standpoint why they did it and don't have a problem with it. Just saying you can't say you're going to be a selective, high end sports car company out of one side of your mouth then make an SUV out of the other side. I am in support of anything Porsche does that helps keep them from being purchased by outside auto makers! Seriously. Including racing NASCAR. But I think if they want to get deeper in the black, a $35k entry car definitely wouldn't hurt!
By the way, I do not dislike the Cayenne. In fact, I'd love to own one. I understand from a business standpoint why they did it and don't have a problem with it. Just saying you can't say you're going to be a selective, high end sports car company out of one side of your mouth then make an SUV out of the other side. I am in support of anything Porsche does that helps keep them from being purchased by outside auto makers! Seriously. Including racing NASCAR. But I think if they want to get deeper in the black, a $35k entry car definitely wouldn't hurt!
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Never said the Cayenne wasn't an amazing SUV. I said that I find it comical to say they don't want to dilute the brand of a high end SPORTS car company when they sell an SUV and are getting into NASCAR. I mean, they started making TRACTORS for crying outloud. For people to say they are too good for an entry-priced car is hilarious. Mr. Porsche made THE entry-priced car!! The original Bug. My guess is Ferdinand would disagree with that snob attitude.
did i say 914? Yes, the Porsche made jointly with WV.
Things do come full circle, only now you dont get the porsche badge. Want a 4 cyl porche? check your VW dealer.
mark, didnt mean to bust your nads. i had the gto, i loved the gto. i sold it and bought a NA, which was replaced by another S2. if i could have only one car, it would probably be a gto. since i can have more than one, the daily driver is a 330 convertible, the track car is a S2 and I just signed a contract for a house in centennial colorado with a three car garage - with no uprights in it.
what should i put in the two empty spaces? you know the two dailys are not getting the garage.
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I was merely saying Ferdi made the Bug, to show Porsche should not be above an entry priced sports car. And last I checked $35k wasn't chump change, not talking about another bug. Also not saying I necessarily want a VW. Or WV. Whichever.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one. Someone tell my new wife I need all my white Ts.
I was merely saying Ferdi made the Bug, to show Porsche should not be above an entry priced sports car. And last I checked $35k wasn't chump change, not talking about another bug. Also not saying I necessarily want a VW. Or WV. Whichever.![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
I was merely saying Ferdi made the Bug, to show Porsche should not be above an entry priced sports car. And last I checked $35k wasn't chump change, not talking about another bug. Also not saying I necessarily want a VW. Or WV. Whichever.
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they wont because if they do you wont buy the vw. think mazda millenium and amanti. mazda was going to join lexus and acura and infinity with the amanti. they designed the car and were ready to go to market when the economy went to the dumpster. instead of shelving the car they called it the millenium with the miller cycle motor. i read an article when it came out that said but for the badge, the car was selling for either 5 or 10k less as a mazda than an amanti because of the saved expense of setting up the network, advertising, etc.
the same holds true for porsche and their now child vw. they can dump a lot of technology into a vw and sell it for 30k. the same car as a porsche would cost 40k. they would sell a lot more at 30, so selling one at 40 wouldnt be good business.
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