I'M NEW TO 951'S AND MY TURBO WENT OUT. LOOKING TO UPGRADE.
09-15-2007, 04:53 PM
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I'm not saying that the BB's don't spool quickly or can't make great power. In my experience though, I haven't seen one that spools quicker or makes more power to make it worth it as far as ease of installation goes and out of the box tuning goes. There have been a few BB's installed on the 951's and I've driven two of them and I'm just not seeing or feeling the difference.
Plus, we have more important things to do like explain over and over that it takes more then just rewelding a flange to turn the motor vertical. I'll give you a hit of something else....oil pan....pickup...
For ease of installation, you can't be Vitesse. That cannot be argued.
09-19-2007, 11:55 PM
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I think youll blow the torque tube up with 500 hp. If not the cv joints will probably meltdown.I agree with the guy that said 500 hp cant be told from a properly boosted 350 hp car with suspension and pinion gear upgrades. I have a k-26/6 and a mild boost enhancer and it kicks hard at 3,000 rpm, chirps in third gear and is faster than most cars on the road, based on challenges by them resulting in a loss on thier part. In fact my brand new powerhaus k27/8 large turbo still sits on my workbench as I ponder the thought of even installing it along with my APE maf,chipset and other goodies. I like the lower end boost of the 26/6 even if the kick isnt as hard as with the larger turbo cars. Does anyone else know what a 27/8 powerhaus turbo and maf does compared to stock conditions ? I diddnt mean to hijack the subject but I am curious.Thanks
09-20-2007, 02:54 AM
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No problem. 
There are a few other things as well but we won't go off topic here.
As far as a K27/6 or K27/8 go, I wouldn't argue with someone that was set on installing a K27/6 in their car. As they have been proven time and time again. But a K27/8, no thanks. A K27/6 makes decent power and is responsive, although it is extremely old technology, it works. If you're thinking about a K27/8, I wouldn't bother. Not only is it super old tech, it's also a dog when it comes to response. Sure it can make power, I guess. But not much more then the K27/6 to make it worthwhile. Most ppl go with the K27/6 for ease of install and because they're looking for a good cheap street turbo. I don't think a K27/8 is any good for the street. What was this thread originally about? lol. I can't even remember. Oh well.
Just my opinion of course.
There are a few other things as well but we won't go off topic here.
As far as a K27/6 or K27/8 go, I wouldn't argue with someone that was set on installing a K27/6 in their car. As they have been proven time and time again. But a K27/8, no thanks. A K27/6 makes decent power and is responsive, although it is extremely old technology, it works. If you're thinking about a K27/8, I wouldn't bother. Not only is it super old tech, it's also a dog when it comes to response. Sure it can make power, I guess. But not much more then the K27/6 to make it worthwhile. Most ppl go with the K27/6 for ease of install and because they're looking for a good cheap street turbo. I don't think a K27/8 is any good for the street. What was this thread originally about? lol. I can't even remember. Oh well.
Just my opinion of course.
09-20-2007, 11:41 AM
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09-20-2007, 11:54 AM
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There are dual ball bearing turbos available for the 951 that are a bolt on propostion. Take a look into Garrett's T3/T4R - same bearing design used in Garrett's GT series.
09-20-2007, 12:04 PM
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09-20-2007, 07:03 PM
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Hi every one I just want to say thank you for all the advice. I really do appreciate it.
From what I understood I have to
1) O ring the head to hold high boost.
2) It sounds like this Vitesse place has got the formula worked out so I’m just going to go with the stage III kit it seems to bee a complete kit.
From what I understood I have to
1) O ring the head to hold high boost.
2) It sounds like this Vitesse place has got the formula worked out so I’m just going to go with the stage III kit it seems to bee a complete kit.
1) Rebuild and O-ring'd by Lindsey head w/Widefire gasket set. Tap'd for steam vent kit
http://mall.rennlist.com/scripts/fea...uery=retrieval
2) New Vitesse Stage II (Turbo w/fast spool, Piggyback/SMT-6, Chip, 55lb injectors, 3 bar FPR). Everything you need. $3700 Not sure what he's charging now, but I think I paid $4000 originally for the kit (not including injectors).
Note: If you buy from Vitesse you don't get injectors ($600 ish) and FPR ($60 ish).
09-20-2007, 07:26 PM
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I'm closing out a current project similar to yours. In the future I will go back to this setup, but for now I need to get some funds together for a S. After talking to some vendors, the o-ring w/Widefire is the best combo for this application. Vitesse....nuff said.
1) Rebuild and O-ring'd by Lindsey head w/Widefire gasket set. Tap'd for steam vent kit
http://mall.rennlist.com/scripts/fea...uery=retrieval
2) New Vitesse Stage II (Turbo w/fast spool, Piggyback/SMT-6, Chip, 55lb injectors, 3 bar FPR). Everything you need. $3700 Not sure what he's charging now, but I think I paid $4000 originally for the kit (not including injectors).
Note: If you buy from Vitesse you don't get injectors ($600 ish) and FPR ($60 ish).
1) Rebuild and O-ring'd by Lindsey head w/Widefire gasket set. Tap'd for steam vent kit
http://mall.rennlist.com/scripts/fea...uery=retrieval
2) New Vitesse Stage II (Turbo w/fast spool, Piggyback/SMT-6, Chip, 55lb injectors, 3 bar FPR). Everything you need. $3700 Not sure what he's charging now, but I think I paid $4000 originally for the kit (not including injectors).
Note: If you buy from Vitesse you don't get injectors ($600 ish) and FPR ($60 ish).
09-20-2007, 07:57 PM
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Even so, I still think it is a fair price. No? The other thing to consider is taxes, but I'm not sure if that would apply if someone lived out of state??
09-20-2007, 09:18 PM
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I have a complete set on flebay that I just listed tonight. It includes a new Powerhaus K27/8 turbo, Autoauthority Maf with new filter, Guru racing dme/ klr chipset and modified banjo bolt,Speedforce racing billet recycling valve,2 ceramic coated hardpipes, 1 jetcoat manifold,1 Powdercoated cam cover and timing cover, I even have a set of new oem reuville rollers,continental timing and balance belts and cv joint boots.Complete set $2,500.00, or you can buy the parts seperately. This will put your car to the 400 Hp level SAFELY, and with lots of eye candy, with a nice 3" exaust from al broadfoot or another specialty manufacturer for the 951 you will be bookin!