Cheap & Equal racing of 944's
08-29-2007, 10:49 AM
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Cheap & Equal racing of 944's
As the Midwest Director of NASA's new 944 Challenge Series, I wanted to let you guys in on some opportunites to race your 924, 944, or 968. Three classes are avaiable - Spec, Cup, & Supercup. Rules can be found in links at the bottom of the page. These classes are growing in cars and available contingencies, as shown below. We still have events at Gingerman, Putnam,and Autobahn this year.
Doug & Robin Hillman for VFC Engineering have committed to putting up $400 per weekend for contingency money at Midwest 944 Spec events next year. This is straight cash, not discounts/certificates/coupons, for Spec class cars. We only need 4 cars next year at any event to make this happen.
Doug is also looking to build cars to suit - Spec, Cup, or SuperCup. He will also assist you in any parts of your own build that you need help in (e.g. custom cage, etc.). Doug will be at the NASA Midwest events for the rest of this year, and next year. He is also avaiable for trackside support. Big thanks to Doug & Robin of VFC for having faith in a fledgling (but rapidly growing) program.
Thanks to the hard work of up and coming racer Ray Freundt, and the gernosity of Kraig "Doc" Bryan at Doc's Upholstery in Belvedire, IL Midwest 944 spec has another $400 of contingency money *per weekend* to help get more 944's out racing!. Doc (no relation to me "Sterling Doc"
) has a full service upholstery shop near Rockford, IL that does everything from antique furniture to cars to airplanes. If you want to make your tow vehicle a "**** van" or do something more tasteful, he's your man. "Doc" enjoys an excellent reputation in this area. Please patronize him with your upholstery needs! http://www.Docsupholstery.com
Let me add this up for you guys who are on the fence, or are doing HPDE's and think racing will cost you too much.
Doug & Robyn Hillman for VFC Engineering http://www.VFC-Engineering.com - $400 per weekend
Kraig "Doc" Bryan of Doc's upholstery http://www.Docsupholstery.com - $400 per weekend
Toyo Tires - $800 in available "Toyo Bucks" per weekend
*and* $1750 Toyo bucks avaible for the season ending regional championship if we get 5 cars to 8 races
"Darty Dave" for Dart Auto http://www.dartauto.com $200 "Darty Dollars" towards new & used Porsche Parts
If we have 11 races next year (13+ is more likely), we will have
$4,400 CASH
$6,150 Toyo Bucks
$1,100 Darty Dollars
$11,650 in Cash and prizes, and more to come.
If you get in the game early, you can podium with a car that is near stock - so get that cage in the car, and come out and have some fun. Donor 944's can be had for $2K or less, turn key "new" racecars for 12-14K, fully developed. Guys have built their own cars to a compettitve level for under 8K. This is cheap, and equal Porsche racing at it's finest, and now with CASH to sweeten the deal! Let's Race!
944 Spec is open to '83-'88 944's (8V N/A) '87-'88 924S models
All 924's, 944's (including the '89-91, 16V & Turbo models), 968's, and 928's may run NASA's Cup & Supercup classes - details here: http://44cup.com
For the Cup & Supercup guys, there are Hankook bucks available, and more to come (stay tuned)
More info:
http://www.NASAMidwest.com
http://www.NASAForums.com
http://www.944spec.org
erickuhns@gmail.com (NASA 944 Challenge Director)
Cheers.
Eric Kuhns
Disclaimer: I do not work nor recieve compensation from NASA or any of the sponsors listed above. I am a racer working hard to get more 944's out to race against.
Doug & Robin Hillman for VFC Engineering have committed to putting up $400 per weekend for contingency money at Midwest 944 Spec events next year. This is straight cash, not discounts/certificates/coupons, for Spec class cars. We only need 4 cars next year at any event to make this happen.
Doug is also looking to build cars to suit - Spec, Cup, or SuperCup. He will also assist you in any parts of your own build that you need help in (e.g. custom cage, etc.). Doug will be at the NASA Midwest events for the rest of this year, and next year. He is also avaiable for trackside support. Big thanks to Doug & Robin of VFC for having faith in a fledgling (but rapidly growing) program.
Thanks to the hard work of up and coming racer Ray Freundt, and the gernosity of Kraig "Doc" Bryan at Doc's Upholstery in Belvedire, IL Midwest 944 spec has another $400 of contingency money *per weekend* to help get more 944's out racing!. Doc (no relation to me "Sterling Doc"
) has a full service upholstery shop near Rockford, IL that does everything from antique furniture to cars to airplanes. If you want to make your tow vehicle a "**** van" or do something more tasteful, he's your man. "Doc" enjoys an excellent reputation in this area. Please patronize him with your upholstery needs! http://www.Docsupholstery.comLet me add this up for you guys who are on the fence, or are doing HPDE's and think racing will cost you too much.
Doug & Robyn Hillman for VFC Engineering http://www.VFC-Engineering.com - $400 per weekend
Kraig "Doc" Bryan of Doc's upholstery http://www.Docsupholstery.com - $400 per weekend
Toyo Tires - $800 in available "Toyo Bucks" per weekend
*and* $1750 Toyo bucks avaible for the season ending regional championship if we get 5 cars to 8 races
"Darty Dave" for Dart Auto http://www.dartauto.com $200 "Darty Dollars" towards new & used Porsche Parts
If we have 11 races next year (13+ is more likely), we will have
$4,400 CASH
$6,150 Toyo Bucks
$1,100 Darty Dollars
$11,650 in Cash and prizes, and more to come.
If you get in the game early, you can podium with a car that is near stock - so get that cage in the car, and come out and have some fun. Donor 944's can be had for $2K or less, turn key "new" racecars for 12-14K, fully developed. Guys have built their own cars to a compettitve level for under 8K. This is cheap, and equal Porsche racing at it's finest, and now with CASH to sweeten the deal! Let's Race!
944 Spec is open to '83-'88 944's (8V N/A) '87-'88 924S models
All 924's, 944's (including the '89-91, 16V & Turbo models), 968's, and 928's may run NASA's Cup & Supercup classes - details here: http://44cup.com
For the Cup & Supercup guys, there are Hankook bucks available, and more to come (stay tuned)
More info:
http://www.NASAMidwest.com
http://www.NASAForums.com
http://www.944spec.org
erickuhns@gmail.com (NASA 944 Challenge Director)
Cheers.
Eric Kuhns
Disclaimer: I do not work nor recieve compensation from NASA or any of the sponsors listed above. I am a racer working hard to get more 944's out to race against.
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08-29-2007, 10:55 AM
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I can say I'm impressed as to how this series has grown in the midwest. Eric is very active over on nasaforums helping develop this region (I'm hoping it will extend to the Kansas area with more local races - hopefully one at HPT).
08-29-2007, 01:28 PM
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Yes, you can run a lightweight 924 2.0 in the Cup class. You'd have to work hard to get it to the min. weight to be competitive. You can look up the specifics on 44cup.com site.
Jaje - thanks! We're working hard, but it's early, and we'd like to see more cars out!
Jaje - thanks! We're working hard, but it's early, and we'd like to see more cars out!
08-29-2007, 02:39 PM
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is there somewhere that i can see what you can /cant get away with in these cars or is it dead stock w/ cage type stuff. Im interested in actually doing turbo cup.
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08-29-2007, 03:00 PM
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Turbo's don't fit in really... The spec rules are http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/944challenge.pdf
and the cup rules here: http://44cup.com
and the cup rules here: http://44cup.com
08-29-2007, 03:59 PM
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Eric,
Are all the 944 Spec/Cup/Super Cup races run in conjunction with full NASA events? So if a 944 is prepped to PCA Club Racing rules, some of which make it ineligible for Spec/Cup series, they would still be able to run at the event as a GTS2 or 3 car in a different race group?
What regional tracks are on the schedule for next year?
Are all the 944 Spec/Cup/Super Cup races run in conjunction with full NASA events? So if a 944 is prepped to PCA Club Racing rules, some of which make it ineligible for Spec/Cup series, they would still be able to run at the event as a GTS2 or 3 car in a different race group?
What regional tracks are on the schedule for next year?
08-29-2007, 04:44 PM
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all 944 spec races are run in NASA.
PCA does allow SP1, SP2, SP3. These are 944 spec, 944 cup and 944 Supercup.
Cars prepared to PCA stock rules can fit in 944 cup and 944 supercup. Some might even fit in 944 spec, but would be considerably overweight.
All PCA cars can fit in GTS since GTS is purely power/weight classing. There is also the NASA PT (peformance touring) classes were each car is classed based on its modes. Each car type is given a base class and each mod costs a certain number of points. Depending on the mods and weight the car will end up in one of the PT classes. There are no specific limits to to what is allowed and what is not. Obviously certain mods cost alot of points and may or may not be desireable for you particular car. It sounds complex, but is not really that hard and great for bastardzied DE cars since everything is OK (just need to take the points)
Point is you can race any PCA car in NASA provided it has a full cage. New NASA logbook cars for 2007 require 2 drivers side door bars and all cars require either right side nets or a "wing" seat. Competitiveness can vary however depending on what class you chose to run in.
PCA does allow SP1, SP2, SP3. These are 944 spec, 944 cup and 944 Supercup.
Cars prepared to PCA stock rules can fit in 944 cup and 944 supercup. Some might even fit in 944 spec, but would be considerably overweight.
All PCA cars can fit in GTS since GTS is purely power/weight classing. There is also the NASA PT (peformance touring) classes were each car is classed based on its modes. Each car type is given a base class and each mod costs a certain number of points. Depending on the mods and weight the car will end up in one of the PT classes. There are no specific limits to to what is allowed and what is not. Obviously certain mods cost alot of points and may or may not be desireable for you particular car. It sounds complex, but is not really that hard and great for bastardzied DE cars since everything is OK (just need to take the points)
Point is you can race any PCA car in NASA provided it has a full cage. New NASA logbook cars for 2007 require 2 drivers side door bars and all cars require either right side nets or a "wing" seat. Competitiveness can vary however depending on what class you chose to run in.
08-29-2007, 10:53 PM
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From talking with one of the 44 Cup directors the PCA adapted their rules to coincide with the Spec / Cup / SuperCup series to foster growth and racing across groups. The Cup is not a NASA event but often runs within NASA weekends (at least that was the case in the Mid Atlantic). However I did go the 2005 Cup race at Watkins Glen and they ran under the EMRA event.
08-29-2007, 11:48 PM
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all 944 spec races are run in NASA.
PCA does allow SP1, SP2, SP3. These are 944 spec, 944 cup and 944 Supercup.
Cars prepared to PCA stock rules can fit in 944 cup and 944 supercup. Some might even fit in 944 spec, but would be considerably overweight.
All PCA cars can fit in GTS since GTS is purely power/weight classing. There is also the NASA PT (peformance touring) classes were each car is classed based on its modes. Each car type is given a base class and each mod costs a certain number of points. Depending on the mods and weight the car will end up in one of the PT classes. There are no specific limits to to what is allowed and what is not. Obviously certain mods cost alot of points and may or may not be desireable for you particular car. It sounds complex, but is not really that hard and great for bastardzied DE cars since everything is OK (just need to take the points)
Point is you can race any PCA car in NASA provided it has a full cage. New NASA logbook cars for 2007 require 2 drivers side door bars and all cars require either right side nets or a "wing" seat. Competitiveness can vary however depending on what class you chose to run in.
PCA does allow SP1, SP2, SP3. These are 944 spec, 944 cup and 944 Supercup.
Cars prepared to PCA stock rules can fit in 944 cup and 944 supercup. Some might even fit in 944 spec, but would be considerably overweight.
All PCA cars can fit in GTS since GTS is purely power/weight classing. There is also the NASA PT (peformance touring) classes were each car is classed based on its modes. Each car type is given a base class and each mod costs a certain number of points. Depending on the mods and weight the car will end up in one of the PT classes. There are no specific limits to to what is allowed and what is not. Obviously certain mods cost alot of points and may or may not be desireable for you particular car. It sounds complex, but is not really that hard and great for bastardzied DE cars since everything is OK (just need to take the points)
Point is you can race any PCA car in NASA provided it has a full cage. New NASA logbook cars for 2007 require 2 drivers side door bars and all cars require either right side nets or a "wing" seat. Competitiveness can vary however depending on what class you chose to run in.
Joe,
My car is a PCA D-Class Club Sport/Cup spec 951. Not sure it could be legally converted to SP3/SuperCup rules, and regardless, no chance I would put 500 lbs of ballast in it - which is why I inquired about GTS classes/race groups running at the events Eric is advertizing for 944 Spec. I may consider running a NASA race or so next year, depending on event dates and tracks. However, if the safety equipment requirements deviate significantly from PCA requirements, the number of PCA guys crossing over to NASA will be reduced.
08-30-2007, 01:09 AM
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I'm not sure if PCA requires dual door bars, but if it does not, I would *highly* recommend tham anyway, especially in light of recent events. Same with a right sided net, and they can be had for less than $50 if you just want to meet the letter of the rules. The only caveat to running GTS, is that you'd have to have an up to date dyno sheet to get your car classed in GTS. Give NASA a try - it's a great group of racers, and very little red tape. Jim Bryant out of the PCA was amazed when got his comp license the day after he applied (NASA wil "comp you a lisence if you have a PCA license).