PixelGrinder

I was looking at these headers for my 944 N/A from MSDS for only $207. Has anyone had any luck with these? If you have did you dyno it afterward? They claim a minimum of 14% HP increase but for the price it doesn't seem right.
http://www.msdsinc.com/exhaust_1.htm


Brad

Mike C.

If it sounds too good to be true....

theedge

Remember kids, 76.6969% of all stats and numbers are pulled out of someones rear end. And if said numbers sound too good to be true...

Porsche designed and built some very good headers as stock. I dont think anyone has posted dynos shows anywhere near 14% increase.

Serge944

Stock headers are very good. Buy new ones for BLING ONLY.

Good luck.

porshaowner

I think that if you install the headers and have a custom chip made with the car on a dyno, and exhaust made to optimize the header that 14% seems reasonable.

M758

Nope.. not with MSDS headers anyway.
14% is like 20 hp. Not going to happen buddy.

Jakerx

i'll have my bursche headers that have been ceramic coated for sale this summer if you're interested.

porshaowner

We're dealing with a 20yr old sports car not a current supercar. 20hp isn't black magic. Its only an engine "it" doesn't know that porsche is its maker. Temp. can affect the output by 10hp so making it breath better will make more power.

Manning

M758 has the dyno numbers to back up his assertion that the MSDS headers will not help much. Check out his website

Manning

This thread is fun too:

https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/171612-squeezing-the-power-out-of-a-na-motor.html

ErichCS

I have the MSDS header on my car and i cant wait to take them off. They are rusty after only a few years. There is no difference in power....my vote would be to save your money.

If you want an old rusty set let me know.
-Erich

Serge944

Age doesn't matter. The 944's intake and exhaust is done remarkably well. That's a fact. No, 20hp isn't black magic, but you're not going to get it will a bolt on (excluding forced induction). Period.

Skunk Workz

Too bad they didn't do the head as good as the rest...

Serge944

No kidding. Probably the only area where you will be able to get any hp out of. But at that cost, might as well drop a chevy v8 in.

Peckster

[QUOTE=porshaowner]We're dealing with a 20yr old sports car not a current supercar. 20hp isn't black magic. Its only an engine "it" doesn't know that porsche is its maker. QUOTE]

Maybe so, but I kind of doubt the engineers at MSDS are better than the ones at Porsche.

Dyno tests have shown the majority of performance pipes for bikes actually REDUCE power. It's all about noise and bling.