Having trouble with the seller of a 951 in OHIO
03-30-2004, 07:37 PM
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Why don't you just go to the police? If you threaten to do so first, the seller will hide the cars in question and call them himself and say you were harassing him. You *really* want to be the first one to involve the police. Good luck.
03-30-2004, 07:46 PM
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Contact the local and federal authorities. (the transactions and agreement(s) took place across state lines)
Just get this guy.
Just get this guy.
03-30-2004, 07:46 PM
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Just found this info out a short time ago. Also I did contact the local police and they did not want to be bothered by this as their take on it is that this is a civil matter. when I went on to describe the title not title thing they said CIVIL matter. Probably got someone about to go home for the day and did not want to be "bothered by this." going to do some other checking.
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03-30-2004, 08:38 PM
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Doesnt surprise me on the police. They are usually worthless. I dont blame the cops though I blame the paperwork and rules they have to live by. Watch the show Cops. Their time is taken up playing social worker among briars who wear flip flops and go everywhere without a shirt on.
I wouldnt tell this guy you are doing anything. Just keep records of everything. All the phone calls made -- the hangups. Any records of what the deal was with your deposit. Write down everything including failed attempts to contact him.
I think if we all showed up unannounced and had a lookout to verified he was home, this would be settled in 10 minutes.
See, we show up at his doorstep around 8pm, after pulling up caravan style to his house and revving all our engines real loud. We walk up to the door, camcorder in hand just like Publishers Clearing House, and have our charges ready:
"In the matter of the People vs. <NAME HERE>, We hereby declare a citizen's arrest for <NAME HERE> on this day April 6, 2004, with witnesses herein, with the charge of theft, wire fraud, and racketeering against the respondent IPSC in the amount of $1,000.00 US dollars for failure to return a security deposit in the aforementioned amount on a Porsche 944 as stipulated in the verbal and written contract between you, the accused, and ISPC, the accusor, in accordance with the binding legalities it contained as a matter of personal business between both parties.
The witnesses herein: members of the Porsche fraternity, acquaintances of the accusor, and administrators of this arrest, do hereby execute this document as a means of collection of debts unpaid or as a public statement of record that shall bind you to these contractual obligations in a court of law, whereby any findings of fact, damages, or personal losses from your failure to return aforementioned security deposit shall be limited to no less than $5,000.00 in punitive damages including but not limited to court costs, attorney fees, lost wages, interstate antitrust laws, and/or federal banking and money transfer penalties, as a result of your declination of refund on this day, April 6, 2004.
In accordance with local, state, and federal jurisdional prudence, we hereby issue you your Maranda rights afforded to you, including the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney, and the right to an attorney provided by the court if you cannot afford an attorney.
At this time, the citizens of Hamilton County and the state of Ohio hereby find probable cause to arrest you and shall provide an escort to local authorities whereby they shall execute this document on the accusor's behalf."
I have no idea what I just said. It should work though.
I wouldnt tell this guy you are doing anything. Just keep records of everything. All the phone calls made -- the hangups. Any records of what the deal was with your deposit. Write down everything including failed attempts to contact him.
I think if we all showed up unannounced and had a lookout to verified he was home, this would be settled in 10 minutes.
See, we show up at his doorstep around 8pm, after pulling up caravan style to his house and revving all our engines real loud. We walk up to the door, camcorder in hand just like Publishers Clearing House, and have our charges ready:
"In the matter of the People vs. <NAME HERE>, We hereby declare a citizen's arrest for <NAME HERE> on this day April 6, 2004, with witnesses herein, with the charge of theft, wire fraud, and racketeering against the respondent IPSC in the amount of $1,000.00 US dollars for failure to return a security deposit in the aforementioned amount on a Porsche 944 as stipulated in the verbal and written contract between you, the accused, and ISPC, the accusor, in accordance with the binding legalities it contained as a matter of personal business between both parties.
The witnesses herein: members of the Porsche fraternity, acquaintances of the accusor, and administrators of this arrest, do hereby execute this document as a means of collection of debts unpaid or as a public statement of record that shall bind you to these contractual obligations in a court of law, whereby any findings of fact, damages, or personal losses from your failure to return aforementioned security deposit shall be limited to no less than $5,000.00 in punitive damages including but not limited to court costs, attorney fees, lost wages, interstate antitrust laws, and/or federal banking and money transfer penalties, as a result of your declination of refund on this day, April 6, 2004.
In accordance with local, state, and federal jurisdional prudence, we hereby issue you your Maranda rights afforded to you, including the right to remain silent, the right to an attorney, and the right to an attorney provided by the court if you cannot afford an attorney.
At this time, the citizens of Hamilton County and the state of Ohio hereby find probable cause to arrest you and shall provide an escort to local authorities whereby they shall execute this document on the accusor's behalf."
I have no idea what I just said. It should work though.
03-30-2004, 10:50 PM
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I was thinking the same thing..
Originally posted by ERAU-944
Michelle JD, where you at?
holla!!!
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Michelle JD, where you at?
holla!!!
-Mike-
Best to contact the local Atty Gen'l where the transaction occurred (I guess Ohio in this case.)
This may help you out.
http://www.ag.state.oh.us/
03-30-2004, 11:02 PM
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Since this is interstate wire fraud, or appears to be, does this fall under US Postal Inspectors, or perhaps Secret Service? Give the Secret Service a call and just ask to speak with an agent...They can then point you in the right direction...
03-30-2004, 11:28 PM
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Or, I just had a thought threaten to report the transaction to the IRS (easy to do and prove with a wire transfer) who I am sure would be very interested in someone selling Porsches as a side buisness (He has three for sale 928, 944T, 968 CAB) to see if he is faithfully reporting all of his income.... Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm the things that make you go Hummmmmmmmmm
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P.S. here is a twist to this in reviewing the recon photos the vin on the car is not the vin he provided the dealership for the PPI. VERY interesting. I just asked for a carfax on the second vin so we will see what that turns up.
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P.S. here is a twist to this in reviewing the recon photos the vin on the car is not the vin he provided the dealership for the PPI. VERY interesting. I just asked for a carfax on the second vin so we will see what that turns up.
Last edited by IPSC; 03-30-2004 at 11:44 PM.