911Dave

I had those slotted manhole covers on my 86.5 928 too. I don't know why but I like them.

I'm loving this thread....lotsa great info on the 16V'ers.

MAGK944

Tom R.

So from the outside they look the same? At quick glance they look like a D90, but with the engraving around the outside of the hole. Which ones did Fuchs make?

mrgreenjeans

Original FUCHS wheel which first came on the scene on early 911/912s


Manhole, sewer lids, trashcan lids, seven slots, the German name is 'Gullydeckel',
they are also made by FUCHS and are forged al. alloy like the first image


'89 turbo wearing the forged alloy Club Sports made by FUCHS

mrgreenjeans

the last two images above are different offsets and widths but made by FUCHS in a heat treated, pressure forged manufacturing process for lightness and strength.

the D90 is a cast wheel with different lips and I believe are made by Ronal in Germany.
( the only set of wheels I don't own for these cars, so cannot verify on the maker )

the FUCHS on the Ruby red 'sunroof delete lightweight' in middle image are also 16s like the ones on the turbo in Sapphire, but differ in width and offset. It is true they do not allow as much air passing to cool brakes in long track sessions, but are extremely strong wheels. They carry the Porsche parts numbers, the Fox head mark of all FUCHS wheels, and show a definite line on the back of the slots where the cutouts would be on the ClubSports, just as mentioned above by MAGK44. Earlier dated wheels do not.

The other thing about the forged FUCHS vs. the D90s, is the finish. D90s are painted, the FUCHS whether original manholes, pie plates, lids, etc., all have an anodized finish in silver or platinum. Weissach 928s had a color unique to the anodizing and sometimes do show up on the market. In the used realm, keep a close eye on sizing, as there are many offsets and apps from 911 to 928 to 944S to 951.

And I believe the Club Sports wheels were only offered on 951s of '88.2 and '89 model year, and 928 GTS and S4 variants. None were offered on the 911, because offsets were changed from the G model 911 cars which DID utilize some offerings of the Gullydeckel as an option.

MAGK944

Otto Mechanic

Mike -

Thanks for the description, I had no idea those wheels could be converted. I have a complete set of 4 on my parts car I could send out. I'm pretty sure mine are anodized instead of powder coated. I'd need to find someone to not only machine them to the CS shape but also do the outside engraving since it looks to me like cutting them to the CS spec will also cut out the manhole engraving. Then the wheels would need to be anodized again?

Any referrals?

Regards,

MAGK944

Tom R.

I had the CS on my 89 951, D90s on my 3 S2s, and for some reason didn't see the obvious difference to the sewer lids. Round v square opening. Cant be more obvious than that. I've been in M Roadster useless info for too long.

I have a set of 7" D90s to get rid of now that the 944S is gone. They were painted, and like I said above they don't work on the track with stock NA brakes.

mrgreenjeans

Otto-

Since it appears you are on the West Coast,
you have seen or heard of Weidman Wheel Refinishing in northern CA have you not ?

He comes highly recommended in the wheel restoration and refinishing business, but has a long waiting list and is quite expensive.

Al Reed in Southern CA is another great refinisher out your way. He and Harvey Weidman have both done wheels for me and I would highly recommend either

Otto Mechanic

Mike -

Forgive me, I'm dyslexic; I forgot the eyebrow engraving is on the outside of the cutout, not the inside.

Thanks for the tip. I expect I'll do this.

Otto Mechanic

Thanks, speed isn't of the essence but price is always a concern. I'll check both out.

Regards,
Scott.

azerite

I meant that the parts had a stamp of 951, instead of the 944. When i did similar work on the first 944 i owned (parts stamped 944) that's why i said i was surprised. Now this may just mean that the S used 951 parts because they superseded the 944 equivalent of the time. but in essence what you wrote is what i was getting at, a 944s has the body of a 944, with common shared parts stamped 951. The S2, has the body of a turbo, with common shared parts of a 951.

The engine is obviously using parts from a 928 (the cam hold down brackets, the top end tensioners etc. BUT the gaskets are 951. I don't recall the rod bearings, i think those were 951 as well.

On the suspension, the control arms, bushings (sway bar and otherwise), caster blocks all 951. Sway bar was actually larger than the turbo from 86, i don't know part number, but i had a back and forth with the parts folks because i thought it was standard 944, and turned out to be larger. Clutch was also for a 951/s2, i took out the rubber centered one, granted it was already replaced once (i think the previous owner had it done, wish i knew.)

basically i came to the conclusion that the S is a great value. It is more robust than an 8v 944 given the 951 parts used, but cheaper than a 951/s2 because of the body style?

On the rear, same thing. Yes the brakes are from a 944, but the trans has hardened parts akin to a 951, with different gear ratios.

Spokayman

Tom R.

Good luck. If I bring another red 944 home I will be sleeping in the garage. It looks like a keeper. Too nice to track. Plus tracking it with those wheels wont work. If you win it and want a set of phone dials to clean up I have a straight set. Ugly paint but straight.