Front suspension back to 87+
#1
Front suspension back to 87+
I'm starting to collect parts for my 87 944s. The guy before me tore apart the suspension and put 85 and down parts on it to make it an early spec race car. And now I'm purchasing and putting the better parts back on
The goal is to run late 944 non m030 brembos and koni adjustable coils.
So I purchased some 85.5-91 lower control arms and 87+spindles. My main question now is, and cannot find an answer to is will the hubs I have mounted to my early control arms and spindle work with the later set up I just bought or do I need late hubs aswell?? Same question goes for the control arm mounting hardware. And last. What's up with the abs?? Were the brembo equiped models abs or not? I dont want abs. I got non abs spindles. Do i need non abs brembos/hubs? Do I NEED the dust shields in order to put this all together for spacing reason or what?
Thanks in advance gotta get this project on the road!
The goal is to run late 944 non m030 brembos and koni adjustable coils.
So I purchased some 85.5-91 lower control arms and 87+spindles. My main question now is, and cannot find an answer to is will the hubs I have mounted to my early control arms and spindle work with the later set up I just bought or do I need late hubs aswell?? Same question goes for the control arm mounting hardware. And last. What's up with the abs?? Were the brembo equiped models abs or not? I dont want abs. I got non abs spindles. Do i need non abs brembos/hubs? Do I NEED the dust shields in order to put this all together for spacing reason or what?
Thanks in advance gotta get this project on the road!
Last edited by JOK3R; 01-05-2018 at 09:59 PM.
#2
Pro
I just went through something similar. See here: https://rennlist.com/forums/944-turb...-86-turbo.html
You will need late hubs, as the late spindles have different bearings. Any late hub will do as they are all the same; late n/a, '87+ turbo, S2 (and 968 I think).
Make sure the konies you are getting are late offset, as the spindle mount is different (angle and thickness).
If you want the 4 piston brembos, you will need turbo, S2 or 968 spindles as they have the correct caliper mounts.
Control arm mounting hardware I think you can keep, though if it doesn't already have it, it's worth upgrading to the 968 style castor block.
In addition, you will also need late offset tie rods.
You will need late hubs, as the late spindles have different bearings. Any late hub will do as they are all the same; late n/a, '87+ turbo, S2 (and 968 I think).
Make sure the konies you are getting are late offset, as the spindle mount is different (angle and thickness).
If you want the 4 piston brembos, you will need turbo, S2 or 968 spindles as they have the correct caliper mounts.
Control arm mounting hardware I think you can keep, though if it doesn't already have it, it's worth upgrading to the 968 style castor block.
In addition, you will also need late offset tie rods.
#3
Nordschleife Master
One thing to add, in case he converted to steel control arms you will need to buy new hardware and bushes for you later arms including sway bar drop links.
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Thanks crazy! So for the 4 piston brembos. It doesn't matter if they are abs or non abs spindles as long as they are s2 correct? Hope so cuz that's wht I got a good deal on. And yeah tie rods. Need those. Yes paragon makes it easy with the option of early and late options.
I'm also going to be doing the torsion bar delete with the addition of the koni coils with a 5-6]]lb spring. I know I need the lower control arm bushing to be converted to aluminium. I was looking at the racers edge banana armaluminum bearing. Now is that all i need or do i need some kind of free twisting bar in place of the torsion bar to triangulate the suspension? Or no.
I'm also going to be doing the torsion bar delete with the addition of the koni coils with a 5-6]]lb spring. I know I need the lower control arm bushing to be converted to aluminium. I was looking at the racers edge banana armaluminum bearing. Now is that all i need or do i need some kind of free twisting bar in place of the torsion bar to triangulate the suspension? Or no.
#6
Nordschleife Master
What size wheels do you have?
Im not 100% certain on all the hardware differences steel to aluminum front control arms. I know you will definitely need later sway bar drop links and I’m guessing the rear bushing on the front control arm uses a different camber part but the front bushing nut and bolt are probably the same.
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Luckily he did not get to switching the rear parts before i got it. So they are 87+ rear arms. The front arms i bought comes with the caster blocks and bolts. I'm thinking the mounting bolts have to be the same as the early ones. Or he reused the 87 bolts to put his steel arms on.
I found this looks interesting. Comes with the links I believe and is a stiffer/better bar.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/PORSCHE-944-S...EAAOSw8UZaRsvA
Or I can just get this. Not sure what bar the 87 944s uses.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-944-2...kAAOSwETJaMiqb
I found this looks interesting. Comes with the links I believe and is a stiffer/better bar.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/PORSCHE-944-S...EAAOSw8UZaRsvA
Or I can just get this. Not sure what bar the 87 944s uses.
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-944-2...kAAOSwETJaMiqb
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#8
Nordschleife Master
The 944S came with 21.5mm front and 18mm rear sway bars unless it had the M030 option which was 23mm tubular front and 20mm rear. Btw, reason I asked about your wheel sizes is that Brembos won’t fit under the stock 15in wheels.
#10
Nordschleife Master
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And you have the option to go with ABS spindles or not. If your car has ABS then you need the ABS spindles (rare). If not then you can get the non-ABS ones (common). The ABS spindles fit non-ABS cars but not the other way around.
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So I've purchased a bunch of parts randomly because I really want to just get this done. I'm very confused on what parts can go with what.
All I am trying to do is run some s2 brembo brakes. I have purchased s2 front control arms. Late 87+ non abs spindles (n/a or turbo not specified at all, just says they are non abs) so can someone tell me if there are n/a AND turbo spindles??
I also purchased late tie rods says they are s2
All I am trying to do is run some s2 brembo brakes. I have purchased s2 front control arms. Late 87+ non abs spindles (n/a or turbo not specified at all, just says they are non abs) so can someone tell me if there are n/a AND turbo spindles??
I also purchased late tie rods says they are s2
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Hi,
I didn't read this complete thread, so ignore if I missed this.
However, you said you bought 85.5-91 Lower control arms.
There are actually TWO different lower aluminum arms. The 85.5-86 ones that are for the early offset wheels (hubs, etc) and the later 87+ lower control arms.
The part number suffix will identify each. I can't remember exactly, but I think that the 85.5-86 end in a ".01" and the 87+ in ".10" but am not sure. Somebody here will know for sure.
Hope you bought the correct late ones for your project.
I didn't read this complete thread, so ignore if I missed this.
However, you said you bought 85.5-91 Lower control arms.
There are actually TWO different lower aluminum arms. The 85.5-86 ones that are for the early offset wheels (hubs, etc) and the later 87+ lower control arms.
The part number suffix will identify each. I can't remember exactly, but I think that the 85.5-86 end in a ".01" and the 87+ in ".10" but am not sure. Somebody here will know for sure.
Hope you bought the correct late ones for your project.
#15
NA and turbo spindles are different. Turbo spindles being more rare and desirable so they tend to be more $$. Hubs are the same though. Dust shields are also different between NA and turbo's. Some say the struts are different and some say they are the same. Different part numbers though. Tie rods and control arms are the same on 87+ cars.