How many 930s remain?
#1
How many 930s remain?
Anyone care to guess? Im going to guess that about 70% of the cars remain. Simply because the cars are special and not used daily or in bad weather in most instances. From 1975 to 1989 about 22,000 were built. That is roughly 1500 per year. However the 75 and 76 model years were made in far less numbers. My guess is about 15000 930s remain worldwide. Id also guess that half are in U.S. That's roughly 7500 or 144 per state. Again this is a estimate. If anyone knows of a way to acutely determine this Id like to see it!
Last edited by tonypeoni; 01-21-2014 at 02:24 PM.
#2
Good question! My answer would be "far too many" (we need the principles of supply and demand to keep our re-sale value up)!
Just for kicks, though you obviously know this, here's a link showing all the various years and quantities produced:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-9...hagerty-3.html
Just for kicks, though you obviously know this, here's a link showing all the various years and quantities produced:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-9...hagerty-3.html
Last edited by Mark Houghton; 01-21-2014 at 11:44 PM.
#4
Rennlister HkPlinker had a magic database lookup capability for the still registered 930’s in the U.S.
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-turb...in-the-us.html
From the post: “There was around 7300 US bound cars built between 1976 and 1989, I'm sure someone will count, and now 5431 are now currently registered in the US. Does not include the Canadian cars, Euro cars, or US cars now exported or others . . .”
I was surprised by the overall 37% attrition rate (63% still registered) and likely an even higher attrition rate for ’76-79 930’s.
U.S., Total Production – 8,606
1976 – 520
1977 – 717
1978 – 451
1979 – 1190
1986 – 1427
1987 – 1756 (Coupe – 1605, Targa – 87, Cabriolet – 184)
1988 – 1313 (Coupe – 701, Targa – 141, Cabriolet – 591)
1989 – 1232 (Coupe – 639, Targa – 109, Cabriolet – 600)
https://rennlist.com/forums/911-turb...in-the-us.html
From the post: “There was around 7300 US bound cars built between 1976 and 1989, I'm sure someone will count, and now 5431 are now currently registered in the US. Does not include the Canadian cars, Euro cars, or US cars now exported or others . . .”
I was surprised by the overall 37% attrition rate (63% still registered) and likely an even higher attrition rate for ’76-79 930’s.
U.S., Total Production – 8,606
1976 – 520
1977 – 717
1978 – 451
1979 – 1190
1986 – 1427
1987 – 1756 (Coupe – 1605, Targa – 87, Cabriolet – 184)
1988 – 1313 (Coupe – 701, Targa – 141, Cabriolet – 591)
1989 – 1232 (Coupe – 639, Targa – 109, Cabriolet – 600)
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I think you've just posted the most compelling reasons why market values are trending significantly upward of late. Just 5,000-6,000 remaining cars is not many, and at any given time, how many are actually up for sale?
Porsche has improved the 911 Turbo in every subsequent iteration. Just on performance, comfort, compliance, reliability, etc the numbers speak for themselves from the 930 to the 991T. But there is a real draw to own the original sketch and design genesis that Porsche engineers developed from the NA 911. Shortcomings, warts, and bank-depleting repairs be damned, there's something special about driving that original DNA and every car from 1976-1989 is 95% similar. An intercooler, revised tail, larger A/C vents, and an extra gear is just small details when contrasted with the basic chromosome blueprint that each of these cars shares. Very few cars span such a large time window and change so little, yet stay so relevant.
It's like owning a piece of old furniture or a needlessly complicated timepiece. They dont store your files or tell time better than the new stuff, but there is inherent joy in taking part in the celebration of the attention and care it took to largely hand-make something from the same love and passion that possessed you to own it. And knowing every subsequent Turbo owes a debt of gratitude to the success of the original just makes the original all the more compelling.
Porsche has improved the 911 Turbo in every subsequent iteration. Just on performance, comfort, compliance, reliability, etc the numbers speak for themselves from the 930 to the 991T. But there is a real draw to own the original sketch and design genesis that Porsche engineers developed from the NA 911. Shortcomings, warts, and bank-depleting repairs be damned, there's something special about driving that original DNA and every car from 1976-1989 is 95% similar. An intercooler, revised tail, larger A/C vents, and an extra gear is just small details when contrasted with the basic chromosome blueprint that each of these cars shares. Very few cars span such a large time window and change so little, yet stay so relevant.
It's like owning a piece of old furniture or a needlessly complicated timepiece. They dont store your files or tell time better than the new stuff, but there is inherent joy in taking part in the celebration of the attention and care it took to largely hand-make something from the same love and passion that possessed you to own it. And knowing every subsequent Turbo owes a debt of gratitude to the success of the original just makes the original all the more compelling.
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I've seen a similar, if not the same, breakout for MY '87-'89, by coupe/targa/cab, as the ones posted above in reference to HkPlinker. Not that it makes much difference, but, the US totals for those three particular years should actually be 1876, 1433, and 1348, respectively.
#7
No matter how you look at it there's around 13000 left. That's a global number. 13000 cars does not go very far when your talking about the entire globe. And this car has a global audience. Also keep in mind that 930s were still made in less numbers than long hoods. There are probably around 6000 left in the US. That's US/ROW cars. 13000 cars is factoring a 35% attrition rate but I believe it may be closer to 37%.
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Good question! My answer would be "far too many" (we need the principles of supply and demand to keep our re-sale value up)!
Just for kicks, though you obviously know this, here's a link showing all the various years and quantities produced:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-9...hagerty-3.html
Just for kicks, though you obviously know this, here's a link showing all the various years and quantities produced:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-9...hagerty-3.html