RS clones, replicas?
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What is the general feeling here on the topic of RS clones?
What are they worth? What would one look for in order to build it proper? etc?
What are they worth? What would one look for in order to build it proper? etc?
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Mine is in my sig and there's a build thread on PP.
Short answer is that it's highly variable. At one end of the spectrum you can get some bolt on parts and stickers and call it a day. And then you have a Singer. The look similar if you squint but have little in common. Mine is somewhere in between, it was built to be a competent track car that could double as a street car. So the choices that were made for engine, transmission, interior and suspension followed that. As I'm very picky about things like panel gaps, I spent more money just on body prep and paint than many people spend on their whole project including the donor car.
Was it worth it? Totally. Could I have bought a decent 997 GT3RS for the money? Yup. Is mine more fun to drive? Hell yeah. Will I ever get my money back out? Absolutely not. Don't care though. We only get one lap.
Let me know if you have any specific questions, I went through years of analysis and learned a lot.
Short answer is that it's highly variable. At one end of the spectrum you can get some bolt on parts and stickers and call it a day. And then you have a Singer. The look similar if you squint but have little in common. Mine is somewhere in between, it was built to be a competent track car that could double as a street car. So the choices that were made for engine, transmission, interior and suspension followed that. As I'm very picky about things like panel gaps, I spent more money just on body prep and paint than many people spend on their whole project including the donor car.
Was it worth it? Totally. Could I have bought a decent 997 GT3RS for the money? Yup. Is mine more fun to drive? Hell yeah. Will I ever get my money back out? Absolutely not. Don't care though. We only get one lap.
Let me know if you have any specific questions, I went through years of analysis and learned a lot.
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Classic Porsche is another cool publication with more of those cars....
I will build one...some day...
I always remember this phrase when I write stuff like that... “The trouble is, you think you have time.” - Jack Kornfield’s Buddha’s Little Instruction Book (1994)
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Classic Porsche is another cool publication with more of those cars....
I will build one...some day...
I always remember this phrase when I write stuff like that... “The trouble is, you think you have time.” - Jack Kornfield’s Buddha’s Little Instruction Book (1994)
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I am looking at documented 72T that was restored and converted to a RS clone. Correct wheels, seats and 2.7 motor. Replica door panels. Not sure what else at this point until i see documents and body work photos.
What should I look for on a RS clone?
What parts would be more RS specific that a proper clone should have?
What kinda money should it fetch given it is an older restoration in showroom condition?
What should I look for on a RS clone?
What parts would be more RS specific that a proper clone should have?
What kinda money should it fetch given it is an older restoration in showroom condition?
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Speaking of door panels.... There is a wide variety of possibilities. Flat panel RSA cards are in no way the same as RS cards. They vary from R to RS to RSR to RSA. I went with RS/RSR and most people are shocked at how minimal they look compared to all the crap Porsche hung off the doors on the poor stock cars and way more period correct than the later (read 964) RSA pull tab doors. If you are going to do it at least do it right.
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It should look something like this:![Stick Out Tongue](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
yes, that is '88. ![EEK!](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif)
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It should look something like this:
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Then there are cars like my '73T we can call not-so authentic, save for the RS flares. Which were in abundant supply when my cousin did the car over 20 years ago. Only purpose for that car, once assembled, is to be as reasonably fast as a streetable torsion bar chassis can be. (Was the trainer for the 910/907 thing. Talk about actual clones.)
Bottom line is that, unless you're building up a shell to your specs, there's so much liberty taken that every build is a 1-of-1. Decide how far deep you want to go into minutiae.........
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So here is the cool thing about building a hot rod 911, you can build anything you want. I don't think there is any set formula for one of these. A proper appearance is a must and a suitably upgraded drivetrain and suspension, a nicely done interior, sport purposes of course. I'd check out pelican and early S registry for various approaches, very few of these are identical.
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I have seen a few pictures of the car and I have requested to view it in person.
I am on the fence as i just do not know enough about 1970's porsches let alone those converted to RS.....
I do know that I would love to have a 1965-1973 911 however![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
This could be my chance. Or not...
I am on the fence as i just do not know enough about 1970's porsches let alone those converted to RS.....
I do know that I would love to have a 1965-1973 911 however
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This could be my chance. Or not...
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Mine is in my sig and there's a build thread on PP.
Short answer is that it's highly variable. At one end of the spectrum you can get some bolt on parts and stickers and call it a day. And then you have a Singer. The look similar if you squint but have little in common. Mine is somewhere in between, it was built to be a competent track car that could double as a street car. So the choices that were made for engine, transmission, interior and suspension followed that. As I'm very picky about things like panel gaps, I spent more money just on body prep and paint than many people spend on their whole project including the donor car.
Was it worth it? Totally. Could I have bought a decent 997 GT3RS for the money? Yup. Is mine more fun to drive? Hell yeah. Will I ever get my money back out? Absolutely not. Don't care though. We only get one lap.
Let me know if you have any specific questions, I went through years of analysis and learned a lot.
Short answer is that it's highly variable. At one end of the spectrum you can get some bolt on parts and stickers and call it a day. And then you have a Singer. The look similar if you squint but have little in common. Mine is somewhere in between, it was built to be a competent track car that could double as a street car. So the choices that were made for engine, transmission, interior and suspension followed that. As I'm very picky about things like panel gaps, I spent more money just on body prep and paint than many people spend on their whole project including the donor car.
Was it worth it? Totally. Could I have bought a decent 997 GT3RS for the money? Yup. Is mine more fun to drive? Hell yeah. Will I ever get my money back out? Absolutely not. Don't care though. We only get one lap.
Let me know if you have any specific questions, I went through years of analysis and learned a lot.
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One thing I might add as I'm in agreement with most all of what prior responders mentioned
if you can find one where most of the 'heavy lifting' read 'expensive' stuff has been done
you will be way ahead of the game.
On mine the body work ( flares paint etc) took almost three years to complete I know ridiculous but hey I didn't rush the guy..
Then the fine tuning trans ,engine assembly , suspension ,and interior you can go crazy !
Lots of options and degrees of correctness have at it, that was the enjoyable part ...very
satisfying, Bert
if you can find one where most of the 'heavy lifting' read 'expensive' stuff has been done
you will be way ahead of the game.
On mine the body work ( flares paint etc) took almost three years to complete I know ridiculous but hey I didn't rush the guy..
Then the fine tuning trans ,engine assembly , suspension ,and interior you can go crazy !
Lots of options and degrees of correctness have at it, that was the enjoyable part ...very
satisfying, Bert
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One thing I might add as I'm in agreement with most all of what prior responders mentioned
if you can find one where most of the 'heavy lifting' read 'expensive' stuff has been done
you will be way ahead of the game.
On mine the body work ( flares paint etc) took almost three years to complete I know ridiculous but hey I didn't rush the guy..
Then the fine tuning trans ,engine assembly , suspension ,and interior you can go crazy !
Lots of options and degrees of correctness have at it, that was the enjoyable part ...very
satisfying, Bert
if you can find one where most of the 'heavy lifting' read 'expensive' stuff has been done
you will be way ahead of the game.
On mine the body work ( flares paint etc) took almost three years to complete I know ridiculous but hey I didn't rush the guy..
Then the fine tuning trans ,engine assembly , suspension ,and interior you can go crazy !
Lots of options and degrees of correctness have at it, that was the enjoyable part ...very
satisfying, Bert
The car was a 10 year project. Body is supposedly flared properly and has no sunroof. Engine was professional rebuilt by a noted builder and i imagine the transmission is the same.
How much work is required to keep one of these old 911s going anyhow?
(I am spoiled by 993 and 997)
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