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Old 12-07-2012, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Shannon123
Not trying to rob the thread, but I have related question simliar to the OP.

When I looked for the car I bought (now sold and looking for Black/widebody coupe) I looked for nearly 2 years. A very large number of cars that came across my path had rebuilt engines.....many of those cars were supposedly less than 100k cars.

What would would you guys rank as the top few reasons that induces the need for a rebuild ?
In the Carrera it's the valve guides that instigates the "rebuild".
Old 12-07-2012, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Shannon123
Not trying to rob the thread, but I have related question simliar to the OP.

When I looked for the car I bought (now sold and looking for Black/widebody coupe) I looked for nearly 2 years. A very large number of cars that came across my path had rebuilt engines.....many of those cars were supposedly less than 100k cars.

What would would you guys rank as the top few reasons that induces the need for a rebuild ?
1. high oil consumption
2. Money Shift
Old 12-07-2012, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by theiceman
1. high oil consumption
2. Money Shift
Well said. Yes, "rebuilds" happen because of broken head studs or bad valve guides. But, and that's a BIG but, all "rebuilds" are not "rebuilds." A "rebuild" is a comprehensive repair from the crankshaft up, including any/all case repairs needed, crank turned/polished, rods reconditioned, all lower end bearings replaced, new timing chains/guides, new piston/cyl set (or new rings as necessary), complete cylinder head refurbishment, including new valves, new guides, new springs, and machine work as necessary, new/reground cams, new/reground rocker arms, tensioners as necessary, etc.

Valve jobs are not a "rebuild." Head stud replacement is not a "rebuild." Replacing some valves due to a money shift is not a "rebuild." But, in an ad, it's real easy to write "rebuilt engine". But, I'll bet, that "rebuilt" engine isn't "rebuilt" at all 90+% of the time, it's simply been repaired. To be sure check invoices. No invoice? Move on to the next promising ad.
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Yep, I'd want to see the receipts for anything said to be "rebuilt".
Old 12-08-2012, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by amber lamps
Yep, I'd want to see the receipts for anything said to be "rebuilt".
Even if done by a DIYer! For a job that substantial there should be receipts for parts like rod and main bearings, pistons/rings, chains, valves, engine gasket set, oil, sealant products, etc.

Also, a file should contain receipts for machine work performed on the crankcase, heads, con-rods, etc. Those receipts should be dated to line up with the time frame in which the "rebuild" was done.
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I can say for certain that Porsche was not using Dilavar studs in February of 1977 when my 911S was produced. Within weeks of picking it up at Zuffenhausen my dealer in nearby Heilbronn was having to deal with loose bottom and top studs--the thing sounded like a VW. It was an embarrassment. Dilavar studs are certainly the solution to a lot of problems with the earlier 911s--and frankly, I would be surprised to see any out there still.
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In my case, the rebuild of a great motor at 130K was caused by the "money shift" at the track. I spent about $10K in parts and machine shop to do that rebuild at home.
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Money Shift = Missed Shift? Resulting in damage that costs big money to fix?
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Originally Posted by fbfisher
Money Shift = Missed Shift? Resulting in damage that costs big money to fix?
in a word ... yup ..
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Originally Posted by Ed Hughes
In my case, the rebuild of a great motor at 130K was caused by the "money shift" at the track. I spent about $10K in parts and machine shop to do that rebuild at home.
Should point out that ed went ahead and punch out that 3.2 to a 3.4 in that rebuild
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Originally Posted by mfyoung1086
Should point out that ed went ahead and punch out that 3.2 to a 3.4 in that rebuild
Ahh yes, but that was round two, and cost another $8K including going to twin-plug ignition. The $10K was the straight rebuild using original p's and c's.
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Well I finally got to look at the car I described in the OP. It was indeed an 83 SC Cabriolet. It did have low milage as advertised. Unfortunatly, it was a HARD life for this car. Good points: low milage, salvagable interior, solid chassis, Cararra tensioners, clean oil free motor. Bad points: flat tires, shi*&^ paint job, butchered radio install, no service history at all.

This would make a great project car for a restoration if bought at the right price but may be more than I'm ready to take on.
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there is always the next one.



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