3,2 dilema for a 911 lover!
10-01-2012, 10:33 AM
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THANKS!
I am not limiting to 3,2 and 964. It just happens I am offered a 3,2 and I like the look of the 964. And this 3,2 is in great shape. I like all series G, whatever they are
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For me what is important is the experience, the ride, the ability to drive fast and slow and take lots of pleasure, and the music of the engine (i am very sensible to noises and it is a massive part of my driving pleasure...not for others; just fr my personal enjoyment).
I am not limiting to 3,2 and 964. It just happens I am offered a 3,2 and I like the look of the 964. And this 3,2 is in great shape. I like all series G, whatever they are
.For me what is important is the experience, the ride, the ability to drive fast and slow and take lots of pleasure, and the music of the engine (i am very sensible to noises and it is a massive part of my driving pleasure...not for others; just fr my personal enjoyment).
10-01-2012, 10:37 AM
#17
Thank you so much for your answer.
The maintenance is actually why I want a car holding its value. My goal is to actually built a small collection of different 911. Therefore I prefer to keep my capital maintained instead of seeing it diminishing in value. Sorry I am rational.
After 2 years with the CTTS, I still have all my points, and I keep my fingers crossed! I am a reasonable man with a bad virus call Porsche!!!
Thanks
The maintenance is actually why I want a car holding its value. My goal is to actually built a small collection of different 911. Therefore I prefer to keep my capital maintained instead of seeing it diminishing in value. Sorry I am rational.
After 2 years with the CTTS, I still have all my points, and I keep my fingers crossed! I am a reasonable man with a bad virus call Porsche!!!
Thanks
As has been pointed out, nothing wrong with the 915 at all, just maybe the G50 is more suited to the longer routes esp that Paris run. Just depends how much of that will be part of your use of the car. If u can keep your points in a Cayenne turbo, then i would say congratulations for your restraint. Went to Paris once in my 993. Banned for 2 months from driving in France.. Great roads.. unsympathetic police..
10-01-2012, 10:58 AM
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Drifting
Raphael,
Tu vas avoir beaucoup plus de plaisir et de merite a conduire une 3.2 sans "power steering" et probablement avec un systeme d'air conditionne qui ne fonctionne plus depuis belle lurette ...
Les nouvelles voitures ,1990 et plus sont certainement plus comfortables mais elles n'ont pas autant de caractere et coutent plus cher a "modifier" parce qu'il y a tellement de pieces de 3.2 disponibles que tu peux trouver tout ce dont tu a besoin pour personaliser ta voiture !
En plus,une belle 3.2 va garder plus de valeur qu'une 964 comparable ...
Bienvenue a Rennlist,c'est un peu cru comme reponse des fois mais en general les gens sont acceuillants
Bonne chance !
Phil
Tu vas avoir beaucoup plus de plaisir et de merite a conduire une 3.2 sans "power steering" et probablement avec un systeme d'air conditionne qui ne fonctionne plus depuis belle lurette ...
Les nouvelles voitures ,1990 et plus sont certainement plus comfortables mais elles n'ont pas autant de caractere et coutent plus cher a "modifier" parce qu'il y a tellement de pieces de 3.2 disponibles que tu peux trouver tout ce dont tu a besoin pour personaliser ta voiture !
En plus,une belle 3.2 va garder plus de valeur qu'une 964 comparable ...
Bienvenue a Rennlist,c'est un peu cru comme reponse des fois mais en general les gens sont acceuillants
Bonne chance !
Phil
10-01-2012, 11:29 AM
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10-01-2012, 11:58 AM
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Condition, condition, condition!
Either a 964 or 3.2 Carrera will be more than capable of working well for you. I would just look at as many cars in your price range from SCs through to 964s as you can, and try and find one that is in great shape and has an excellent service history. I would rather have an excellent SC over a so-so 964. However, if a great 964 can be found in your price range, I think it is one of the greatest 911s as it bridges old and new so well. I have driven a 964 and it had a fair amount of the classic feel of the Carrera IMO.
If you look at many cars and ride in the good ones, you will find what you want.
Either a 964 or 3.2 Carrera will be more than capable of working well for you. I would just look at as many cars in your price range from SCs through to 964s as you can, and try and find one that is in great shape and has an excellent service history. I would rather have an excellent SC over a so-so 964. However, if a great 964 can be found in your price range, I think it is one of the greatest 911s as it bridges old and new so well. I have driven a 964 and it had a fair amount of the classic feel of the Carrera IMO.
If you look at many cars and ride in the good ones, you will find what you want.
10-01-2012, 12:13 PM
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Burning Brakes
Man, you guys are a lot tougher on each other than the 930 guys! 
Frenchlover, don't get hung up on the technical differences between the models. The truth is that a 2012 Hyundai is probably a better riding and shifting car than any early Porsches. You have to appreciate these cars in the context in which they were made. A new Mustang probably could run circles around my 930, but it's nearly 30 years newer. When I'm out driving in it, I'm not comparing it to anything else, but simply enjoying it for what it is (and was). Back in the day, it was truly a king! (Even though it shifts like a wooden spoon in a bowl of cake batter)
The best way to approach your purchase is to buy the nicest, solid car that you can find, and enjoy it in a stock, unmodified condition. Clean, well maintained, non-molested 911s seem to be much more desirable to buyers than cars that have been heavily modified. And most have a very long, proven history of dependability.
I'd LOVE to find an extra-clean, completely stock '80's Carrera. They are such elegant, beautiful cars! But many people seem to have a hard time leaving them alone and want to slap on wings, flairs, aftermarket steering wheels & stereos, etc., and change their character completely.
Personally, I think that's almost a crime.
Frenchlover, don't get hung up on the technical differences between the models. The truth is that a 2012 Hyundai is probably a better riding and shifting car than any early Porsches. You have to appreciate these cars in the context in which they were made. A new Mustang probably could run circles around my 930, but it's nearly 30 years newer. When I'm out driving in it, I'm not comparing it to anything else, but simply enjoying it for what it is (and was). Back in the day, it was truly a king! (Even though it shifts like a wooden spoon in a bowl of cake batter)
The best way to approach your purchase is to buy the nicest, solid car that you can find, and enjoy it in a stock, unmodified condition. Clean, well maintained, non-molested 911s seem to be much more desirable to buyers than cars that have been heavily modified. And most have a very long, proven history of dependability.
I'd LOVE to find an extra-clean, completely stock '80's Carrera. They are such elegant, beautiful cars! But many people seem to have a hard time leaving them alone and want to slap on wings, flairs, aftermarket steering wheels & stereos, etc., and change their character completely.
Personally, I think that's almost a crime.
10-01-2012, 12:23 PM
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I also would not call modifying an 80's Carrera a crime, hacking up a long hood is a different story... I happen to like my fender flares, my big cup wing, my big fikse and kinesis rims, my 993 brakes, my fabspeed exhaust, my big tbars, and all the other mods that have been done
also if your 915 is shifting like a "wooden spoon in cake batter" than it is not a well sorted 915
10-01-2012, 12:47 PM
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Burning Brakes
whoa there wildcat just a lil sarcasm, no need for name calling
I also would not call modifying an 80's Carrera a crime, hacking up a long hood is a different story... I happen to like my fender flares, my big cup wing, my big fikse and kinesis rims, my 993 brakes, my fabspeed exhaust, my big tbars, and all the other mods that have been done
also if your 915 is shifting like a "wooden spoon in cake batter" than it is not a well sorted 915
I also would not call modifying an 80's Carrera a crime, hacking up a long hood is a different story... I happen to like my fender flares, my big cup wing, my big fikse and kinesis rims, my 993 brakes, my fabspeed exhaust, my big tbars, and all the other mods that have been done
also if your 915 is shifting like a "wooden spoon in cake batter" than it is not a well sorted 915
Glad you like your car, and that's all that matters. But you have to admit that you'll never see the money you put into it on resale, and the character of your car is much different from the way it was designed. Maybe you've made it a better car in many respects, but that's a highly personal and subjective call. I'm fine with them just as they are, and even appreciate the charm of their faults.
My car shifts as it's supposed to. The point I was making was that it's a far cry from the tight precision you'll find in modern cars. I'm sure there are many people who could make my car a 500+ hp, "snick-snick" shifting road rocket, but then it wouldn't be the same car. If I just wanted fast, I'd be better off with a 996TT (which is getting to be very close to the same money). But this is the car I want. I've loved the 930's since high school, when I had a poster of one on my wall.
10-01-2012, 01:08 PM
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Glad you like your car, and that's all that matters. But you have to admit that you'll never see the money you put into it on resale, and the character of your car is much different from the way it was designed. Maybe you've made it a better car in many respects, but that's a highly personal and subjective call. I'm fine with them just as they are, and even appreciate the charm of their faults.
My car shifts as it's supposed to. The point I was making was that it's a far cry from the tight precision you'll find in modern cars. I'm sure there are many people who could make my car a 500+ hp, "snick-snick" shifting road rocket, but then it wouldn't be the same car. If I just wanted fast, I'd be better off with a 996TT (which is getting to be very close to the same money). But this is the car I want. I've loved the 930's since high school, when I had a poster of one on my wall.
My car shifts as it's supposed to. The point I was making was that it's a far cry from the tight precision you'll find in modern cars. I'm sure there are many people who could make my car a 500+ hp, "snick-snick" shifting road rocket, but then it wouldn't be the same car. If I just wanted fast, I'd be better off with a 996TT (which is getting to be very close to the same money). But this is the car I want. I've loved the 930's since high school, when I had a poster of one on my wall.
I think one of the greatest things about 911 ownership is the owners who push the envelop with mods on their cars, who care more about shaving lap times than originality. The craftsmanship and actual engineering behind so man of the mods I've seen on so many 911's is one of the things I love most about the community
I can only hope that in 10-15 years my ownership has been like Jack Olsens, where I've destroyed more than a few body panels, blown a motor, held parts on with duct tape and done what Porsche would have wanted me to do anyways race the damn thing!
also once again your 915 doesn't sound like its set up correctly the shifts in mine have more feedback, and are firmer than the vast amount of new cars I've driven
anyways enough OT have you driven the 3.2 yet frenchlover, pics, details of the car?
10-01-2012, 05:16 PM
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Burning Brakes
Back on point: Frenchlover wants a car that will not diminish in value, which is why I suggest he look for an extra clean, stock example that hasn't been modified or altered. I agree with 500_19B that it would be better to buy a nice SC or Carrera than a so-so 964. Buy the best solid, original car you can afford, and enjoy it.
If anyone knows of a better way to play the "Porsche vs. financial loss" game, I'd like to know.
10-01-2012, 09:22 PM
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Raphael,
Welcome! You will find that this is a great community with a lot of knowledge (and some "fun" senses of humour!").
I am a fairly new owner as far as many on this forum go, but I will share with you some of my experience that will hopefully help you.
Last march I brought home a 1986 (915 gearbox) 911 with around 180,000km on it. It's my daily driver. In my first 5 months of ownership I put 20,000km on it without a glitch. The car is absolutely brilliant and dead reliable. I take great care of it and maintain it, and in return it never ceases to amaze me. The night I bought it my friend and I drove 1500km straight to bring it home. I wouldn't hesitate to drive it across the country, and I think that if you are driving across England/France you will thoroughly enjoy every minute spent in the car. Whether I am sitting in traffic in Toronto or out on winding country roads, I am enjoying myself. It is a truly special car. From the way it sounds, to the way it connects you to the road, to the way the bolsters on the seats hug your body to the way it smells. The feeling you get when you match the revs perfectly on a downshift, turn into a corner and accelerate through the exit, engine roaring as it pushes you through the corner, rear twitching slightly as it plants itself... it's exhilarating. There is no other car that can make me feel the way I feel behind the wheel of a classic 911.
The passion you seem to exhibit in your first post about life and the things you enjoy tell me that an old 911 is a good fit for you, because owning an older 911 isn't about being the fastest, or the most flamboyant, or the most luxurious (haha)... it's about passion. That is something everyone here on this forum shares - a love for these cars.
Whether a 964 or a 3.2 is a better fit for you I don't know. I've never driven a 964 actually.... but the best recommendation I can make is to drive both before making a purchase. Drive both, on back roads and on highway. Really get a feel for each car. I'm confident that after one of the drives you will think to yourself "wow, that's the one". There's no wrong answer - they're all great cars.
Happy driving and let us know how your adventure goes!
-Jonathan
Welcome! You will find that this is a great community with a lot of knowledge (and some "fun" senses of humour!").
I am a fairly new owner as far as many on this forum go, but I will share with you some of my experience that will hopefully help you.
Last march I brought home a 1986 (915 gearbox) 911 with around 180,000km on it. It's my daily driver. In my first 5 months of ownership I put 20,000km on it without a glitch. The car is absolutely brilliant and dead reliable. I take great care of it and maintain it, and in return it never ceases to amaze me. The night I bought it my friend and I drove 1500km straight to bring it home. I wouldn't hesitate to drive it across the country, and I think that if you are driving across England/France you will thoroughly enjoy every minute spent in the car. Whether I am sitting in traffic in Toronto or out on winding country roads, I am enjoying myself. It is a truly special car. From the way it sounds, to the way it connects you to the road, to the way the bolsters on the seats hug your body to the way it smells. The feeling you get when you match the revs perfectly on a downshift, turn into a corner and accelerate through the exit, engine roaring as it pushes you through the corner, rear twitching slightly as it plants itself... it's exhilarating. There is no other car that can make me feel the way I feel behind the wheel of a classic 911.
The passion you seem to exhibit in your first post about life and the things you enjoy tell me that an old 911 is a good fit for you, because owning an older 911 isn't about being the fastest, or the most flamboyant, or the most luxurious (haha)... it's about passion. That is something everyone here on this forum shares - a love for these cars.
Whether a 964 or a 3.2 is a better fit for you I don't know. I've never driven a 964 actually.... but the best recommendation I can make is to drive both before making a purchase. Drive both, on back roads and on highway. Really get a feel for each car. I'm confident that after one of the drives you will think to yourself "wow, that's the one". There's no wrong answer - they're all great cars.
Happy driving and let us know how your adventure goes!
-Jonathan