3,2 dilema for a 911 lover!
10-01-2012, 07:23 AM
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3,2 dilema for a 911 lover!
Hello dear Porsche addicts,
I shall present myself first before introducing my problem (if it is one...).
I am Raphael, I am a business man and lawyer. I work between London, Paris and the South of France at the moment. I am passionate about life and I try hard not to burn it by both sides...
Oh, I forgot to mention something important: I am in love with porche since my younger age! My dad used to own several 911 until I got 14 (he decided to betray passion for reason). My brother is also infected by the virus Porsche, but not really for the same reason unfortunately.
My issue is the following:
I own a Cayenne Turbo S that I like a lot...but it is not fulfilling my love for sport. Therefore, I am thinking about getting an old 911 as it won't loose value and will be much more fun to drive than a modern one (I am fortunate enough to drive frequently a 997 S).
Two models are bringing my attention : the 3,2 and the 964. Obviously this has been treated a lot and the question is regularly asked.
However, I am offered a mint 3,2 for a very fair price. It is dark grey (slate I think) with black interior. The suspensions have been modified (blinstein) and the car lowered. BUT it has not got the G50 gearbox.
This would leave me enough ressources to had a new exhaust, new seat, paintings, and maybe some leather work in the interior to make it even hotter.
On the other hand, the lack of power steering, the lower bhp, and the more ancient chassis are making me questioning this project. Wouldn't it be better to go with a brilliant 964?
I need a little the back seats, as I transport sometimes passengers for short rides. I would use it as a weekend car, but also to drive from paris to london.
What I am looking for is something stiff, strong, making a fantastic and deep noise, sporty, easy to live with...but with a soul and crazy sparkles in the engine. I like everything about both cars...maybe the soufflets on the 3,2 are not that hot...
I was given a GT86(toybaru) for the weekend, great chassis, but what a lack of magic.
Would you have any advice or things that would make me go one way or another?
Raphael
I shall present myself first before introducing my problem (if it is one...).
I am Raphael, I am a business man and lawyer. I work between London, Paris and the South of France at the moment. I am passionate about life and I try hard not to burn it by both sides...
Oh, I forgot to mention something important: I am in love with porche since my younger age! My dad used to own several 911 until I got 14 (he decided to betray passion for reason). My brother is also infected by the virus Porsche, but not really for the same reason unfortunately.
My issue is the following:
I own a Cayenne Turbo S that I like a lot...but it is not fulfilling my love for sport. Therefore, I am thinking about getting an old 911 as it won't loose value and will be much more fun to drive than a modern one (I am fortunate enough to drive frequently a 997 S).
Two models are bringing my attention : the 3,2 and the 964. Obviously this has been treated a lot and the question is regularly asked.
However, I am offered a mint 3,2 for a very fair price. It is dark grey (slate I think) with black interior. The suspensions have been modified (blinstein) and the car lowered. BUT it has not got the G50 gearbox.
This would leave me enough ressources to had a new exhaust, new seat, paintings, and maybe some leather work in the interior to make it even hotter.
On the other hand, the lack of power steering, the lower bhp, and the more ancient chassis are making me questioning this project. Wouldn't it be better to go with a brilliant 964?
I need a little the back seats, as I transport sometimes passengers for short rides. I would use it as a weekend car, but also to drive from paris to london.
What I am looking for is something stiff, strong, making a fantastic and deep noise, sporty, easy to live with...but with a soul and crazy sparkles in the engine. I like everything about both cars...maybe the soufflets on the 3,2 are not that hot...
I was given a GT86(toybaru) for the weekend, great chassis, but what a lack of magic.
Would you have any advice or things that would make me go one way or another?
Raphael
10-01-2012, 09:42 AM
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based own your own words - get the 964
I kind of think neither would work because you sound like too much of a pansy to own a real 911
your first point is to own an older 911 because it wont loose value? - WTF? this is no reason to own either
2nd point - more fun to drive....agree
3.2 "modified suspension ? - Bilsteins and lowering doesnt do much and I would not consider that "modified" - no its not a G50...but it IS a 915 !! do a search, many people prefer the 915 so there
now this "mint 3.2" needs new exhaust, new seat, paintings, and maybe some leather work - I think there is a disconnect - you are calling it a "project" ?????
"What I am looking for is something stiff, strong, making a fantastic and deep noise, sporty, easy to live with...but with a soul and crazy sparkles in the engine. I like everything about both cars...maybe the soufflets on the 3,2 are not that hot"
e-gads........what a train wreck, makes me think of some blinged out wide body conversion with a V8 stuffed in the back and a $9000 stereo system
"I was given a GT86(toybaru) for the weekend, great chassis, but what a lack of magic"
???
what is this great chassis going to do for you...is this on public roads? having magic sounds like some fantasy "look at me" mentality
sorry if I read this wrong, but - I am that way
<flame suit on>
blast away
based own your own words - get the 964
I kind of think neither would work because you sound like too much of a pansy to own a real 911
your first point is to own an older 911 because it wont loose value? - WTF? this is no reason to own either
2nd point - more fun to drive....agree
3.2 "modified suspension ? - Bilsteins and lowering doesnt do much and I would not consider that "modified" - no its not a G50...but it IS a 915 !! do a search, many people prefer the 915 so there
now this "mint 3.2" needs new exhaust, new seat, paintings, and maybe some leather work - I think there is a disconnect - you are calling it a "project" ?????
"What I am looking for is something stiff, strong, making a fantastic and deep noise, sporty, easy to live with...but with a soul and crazy sparkles in the engine. I like everything about both cars...maybe the soufflets on the 3,2 are not that hot"
e-gads........what a train wreck, makes me think of some blinged out wide body conversion with a V8 stuffed in the back and a $9000 stereo system
"I was given a GT86(toybaru) for the weekend, great chassis, but what a lack of magic"
???
what is this great chassis going to do for you...is this on public roads? having magic sounds like some fantasy "look at me" mentality
sorry if I read this wrong, but - I am that way
<flame suit on>
blast away
10-01-2012, 10:08 AM
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^ dude...
Anyway, the 3.2 car is GREAT! I like the feel (sound, ride, steering) of the 911s better than the 964 (think the 911 looks better too) or 993.
Anyway, the 3.2 car is GREAT! I like the feel (sound, ride, steering) of the 911s better than the 964 (think the 911 looks better too) or 993.
10-01-2012, 10:19 AM
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More ancient chasis? What cuz it used tbars over coilovers?
My more ancient chasis seems to work just fine
the 964 is a nice car, I've driven a few the RSA's are amazing and I almost bought one before I found my 85... I really don't feel like getting into the G50 vs. 915.... 915's are nice when they are setup right, a majority of them are not and thats why they have a bad rap, the G50's being hydralic and gated just don't need to fine tinkering of the 915
I think the dumbest thing you've already done is limit yourself to a 3.2 or a 964. A ****ty 964 is not gonna be better than a well sorted 3.2, or a really well sorted SC
also ivangene I got a widebody conversion wtf's wrong with that....
My more ancient chasis seems to work just fine
the 964 is a nice car, I've driven a few the RSA's are amazing and I almost bought one before I found my 85... I really don't feel like getting into the G50 vs. 915.... 915's are nice when they are setup right, a majority of them are not and thats why they have a bad rap, the G50's being hydralic and gated just don't need to fine tinkering of the 915
I think the dumbest thing you've already done is limit yourself to a 3.2 or a 964. A ****ty 964 is not gonna be better than a well sorted 3.2, or a really well sorted SC
also ivangene I got a widebody conversion wtf's wrong with that....
10-01-2012, 10:21 AM
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I don't think you read me wrong.
I believe I did not express myself the right way.
For me, and it is my humble personal opinion, it is a reason to own a car whose value won't go down too much.
Sorry if you don't consider lowering the suspensions and changing them, modifying a car...I do. Technically changing somethings = modifying it!
For the gearbox, I know exactly the difference between the 915 and G50...only I am surprised that you say that they are better than G50's. It is commonly said the 915 are outdated in comparison to the G50. It works well on 2,7 and 3,0 but the 3,2 is better with a G50. I am surprised of your comment.
I call project everything I am touching and want to invest in. So When i am talking about changing the seats, it is just making them as brand new, and making the car look as if it was getting out of the factory. I am against tunning, and putting sound systems.
Anyway, having a car with sparkle does not mean having a jap car with a fffing stupid compressed engine: it is just something with a history and that you won't find anywhere else.
The pansy does not give a **** about what people think. I seriously don't know where the hell you found anything indicate I would be a sissy
! But, if it make you happy, pleasure yourself this way...some can't help themselves...enjoy life dude!
The 3,2 is a magical car. As said before it is the last G series and "911s".
I am passionate about old cars that makes you work hard to get what you need.
Anyway thanks for the welcome...
I believe I did not express myself the right way.
For me, and it is my humble personal opinion, it is a reason to own a car whose value won't go down too much.
Sorry if you don't consider lowering the suspensions and changing them, modifying a car...I do. Technically changing somethings = modifying it!
For the gearbox, I know exactly the difference between the 915 and G50...only I am surprised that you say that they are better than G50's. It is commonly said the 915 are outdated in comparison to the G50. It works well on 2,7 and 3,0 but the 3,2 is better with a G50. I am surprised of your comment.
I call project everything I am touching and want to invest in. So When i am talking about changing the seats, it is just making them as brand new, and making the car look as if it was getting out of the factory. I am against tunning, and putting sound systems.
Anyway, having a car with sparkle does not mean having a jap car with a fffing stupid compressed engine: it is just something with a history and that you won't find anywhere else.
The pansy does not give a **** about what people think. I seriously don't know where the hell you found anything indicate I would be a sissy
! But, if it make you happy, pleasure yourself this way...some can't help themselves...enjoy life dude!The 3,2 is a magical car. As said before it is the last G series and "911s".
I am passionate about old cars that makes you work hard to get what you need.
Anyway thanks for the welcome...
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10-01-2012, 10:21 AM
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hahaha - easy man
I like wide bodies - but not so much the V8
I was driving a 76' wide body with a 3.2 Euro for a few weeks and gotta admit, the girls seemed to notice - I never had so many honks and waves!
I like wide bodies - but not so much the V8
I was driving a 76' wide body with a 3.2 Euro for a few weeks and gotta admit, the girls seemed to notice - I never had so many honks and waves!
10-01-2012, 10:22 AM
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The 3.2 is amazing but would require attention to drive to paris from london on a regular basis. Not that the car isnt capable but just more driver concentration required. However at least 130kph feels fast in one. The 964 is probably a better motorway cruiser, however you would probably stand more chance of losing the license. I wouldnt let g50 over 915 shape any decision. If u are serious about it you should be test driving both. The answer to your question should become clearer to you once u have driven both properly. On the point of a car that doesnt lose money, thats a case for debate, but even if either stay the same value, owning a 911 and maintaining properly if u arent going the DIY route isnt cheap. Gd luck with your search.
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More ancient chasis? What cuz it used tbars over coilovers?
My more ancient chasis seems to work just fine
the 964 is a nice car, I've driven a few the RSA's are amazing and I almost bought one before I found my 85... I really don't feel like getting into the G50 vs. 915.... 915's are nice when they are setup right, a majority of them are not and thats why they have a bad rap, the G50's being hydralic and gated just don't need to fine tinkering of the 915
I think the dumbest thing you've already done is limit yourself to a 3.2 or a 964. A ****ty 964 is not gonna be better than a well sorted 3.2, or a really well sorted SC
also ivangene I got a widebody conversion wtf's wrong with that....
My more ancient chasis seems to work just fine
the 964 is a nice car, I've driven a few the RSA's are amazing and I almost bought one before I found my 85... I really don't feel like getting into the G50 vs. 915.... 915's are nice when they are setup right, a majority of them are not and thats why they have a bad rap, the G50's being hydralic and gated just don't need to fine tinkering of the 915
I think the dumbest thing you've already done is limit yourself to a 3.2 or a 964. A ****ty 964 is not gonna be better than a well sorted 3.2, or a really well sorted SC
also ivangene I got a widebody conversion wtf's wrong with that....
I am not limiting to 3,2 and 964. It just happens I am offered a 3,2 and I like the look of the 964. And this 3,2 is in great shape. I like all series G, whatever they are
.For me what is important is the experience, the ride, the ability to drive fast and slow and take lots of pleasure, and the music of the engine (i am very sensible to noises and it is a massive part of my driving pleasure...not for others; just fr my personal enjoyment).
10-01-2012, 10:26 AM
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I don't think you read me wrong.
I believe I did not express myself the right way.
For me, and it is my humble personal opinion, it is a reason to own a car whose value won't go down too much.
Sorry if you don't consider lowering the suspensions and changing them, modifying a car...I do. Technically changing somethings = modifying it!
For the gearbox, I know exactly the difference between the 915 and G50...only I am surprised that you say that they are better than G50's. It is commonly said the 915 are outdated in comparison to the G50. It works well on 2,7 and 3,0 but the 3,2 is better with a G50. I am surprised of your comment.
I call project everything I am touching and want to invest in. So When i am talking about changing the seats, it is just making them as brand new, and making the car look as if it was getting out of the factory. I am against tunning, and putting sound systems.
Anyway, having a car with sparkle does not mean having a jap car with a fffing stupid compressed engine: it is just something with a history and that you won't find anywhere else.
The pansy does not give a **** about what people think. I seriously don't know where the hell you found anything indicate I would be a sissy ! But, if it make you happy, pleasure yourself this way...some can't help themselves...enjoy life dude!
The 3,2 is a magical car. As said before it is the last G series and "911s".
I am passionate about old cars that makes you work hard to get what you need.
Anyway thanks for the welcome...
I believe I did not express myself the right way.
For me, and it is my humble personal opinion, it is a reason to own a car whose value won't go down too much.
Sorry if you don't consider lowering the suspensions and changing them, modifying a car...I do. Technically changing somethings = modifying it!
For the gearbox, I know exactly the difference between the 915 and G50...only I am surprised that you say that they are better than G50's. It is commonly said the 915 are outdated in comparison to the G50. It works well on 2,7 and 3,0 but the 3,2 is better with a G50. I am surprised of your comment.
I call project everything I am touching and want to invest in. So When i am talking about changing the seats, it is just making them as brand new, and making the car look as if it was getting out of the factory. I am against tunning, and putting sound systems.
Anyway, having a car with sparkle does not mean having a jap car with a fffing stupid compressed engine: it is just something with a history and that you won't find anywhere else.
The pansy does not give a **** about what people think. I seriously don't know where the hell you found anything indicate I would be a sissy
! But, if it make you happy, pleasure yourself this way...some can't help themselves...enjoy life dude!The 3,2 is a magical car. As said before it is the last G series and "911s".
I am passionate about old cars that makes you work hard to get what you need.
Anyway thanks for the welcome...
Sweet - I like the reply....this now makes more sense
really I was just busting you to see if you had a good sense of humor - looks like you do, as I said - WELCOME
seriously though for me a 915 is a great choice but requires some love and care to be driven correctly - the G50 is nice, but it is NOT a 915 either
my next car (if there ever is one) will likely be a 964 though - so what do I know
You seem like a good guy, post some pics of the cars - these guys are good at spotting "issues" even from pics
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welcome to RL
based own your own words - get the 964
I kind of think neither would work because you sound like too much of a pansy to own a real 911
your first point is to own an older 911 because it wont loose value? - WTF? this is no reason to own either
2nd point - more fun to drive....agree
3.2 "modified suspension ? - Bilsteins and lowering doesnt do much and I would not consider that "modified" - no its not a G50...but it IS a 915 !! do a search, many people prefer the 915 so there
now this "mint 3.2" needs new exhaust, new seat, paintings, and maybe some leather work - I think there is a disconnect - you are calling it a "project" ?????
"What I am looking for is something stiff, strong, making a fantastic and deep noise, sporty, easy to live with...but with a soul and crazy sparkles in the engine. I like everything about both cars...maybe the soufflets on the 3,2 are not that hot"
e-gads........what a train wreck, makes me think of some blinged out wide body conversion with a V8 stuffed in the back and a $9000 stereo system
"I was given a GT86(toybaru) for the weekend, great chassis, but what a lack of magic"
???
what is this great chassis going to do for you...is this on public roads? having magic sounds like some fantasy "look at me" mentality
sorry if I read this wrong, but - I am that way
<flame suit on>
blast away
based own your own words - get the 964
I kind of think neither would work because you sound like too much of a pansy to own a real 911
your first point is to own an older 911 because it wont loose value? - WTF? this is no reason to own either
2nd point - more fun to drive....agree
3.2 "modified suspension ? - Bilsteins and lowering doesnt do much and I would not consider that "modified" - no its not a G50...but it IS a 915 !! do a search, many people prefer the 915 so there
now this "mint 3.2" needs new exhaust, new seat, paintings, and maybe some leather work - I think there is a disconnect - you are calling it a "project" ?????
"What I am looking for is something stiff, strong, making a fantastic and deep noise, sporty, easy to live with...but with a soul and crazy sparkles in the engine. I like everything about both cars...maybe the soufflets on the 3,2 are not that hot"
e-gads........what a train wreck, makes me think of some blinged out wide body conversion with a V8 stuffed in the back and a $9000 stereo system
"I was given a GT86(toybaru) for the weekend, great chassis, but what a lack of magic"
???
what is this great chassis going to do for you...is this on public roads? having magic sounds like some fantasy "look at me" mentality
sorry if I read this wrong, but - I am that way
<flame suit on>
blast away
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The 3.2 is amazing but would require attention to drive to paris from london on a regular basis. Not that the car isnt capable but just more driver concentration required. However at least 130kph feels fast in one. The 964 is probably a better motorway cruiser, however you would probably stand more chance of losing the license. I wouldnt let g50 over 915 shape any decision. If u are serious about it you should be test driving both. The answer to your question should become clearer to you once u have driven both properly. On the point of a car that doesnt lose money, thats a case for debate, but even if either stay the same value, owning a 911 and maintaining properly if u arent going the DIY route isnt cheap. Gd luck with your search.
The maintenance is actually why I want a car holding its value. My goal is to actually built a small collection of different 911. Therefore I prefer to keep my capital maintained instead of seeing it diminishing in value. Sorry I am rational.
After 2 years with the CTTS, I still have all my points, and I keep my fingers crossed! I am a reasonable man with a bad virus call Porsche!!!
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I've gotten everything from honks, waves, pictures taken, the middle finger, and that dumb kid butters from the 944 thinking I had a gt2 becuase of the cup car tail (which actually made me start seriously thinking about getting the duck tail already for street driving and keeping the cup car tail for the track only)
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Sweet - I like the reply....this now makes more sense
really I was just busting you to see if you had a good sense of humor - looks like you do, as I said - WELCOME
seriously though for me a 915 is a great choice but requires some love and care to be driven correctly - the G50 is nice, but it is NOT a 915 either
my next car (if there ever is one) will likely be a 964 though - so what do I know
You seem like a good guy, post some pics of the cars - these guys are good at spotting "issues" even from pics
really I was just busting you to see if you had a good sense of humor - looks like you do, as I said - WELCOME
seriously though for me a 915 is a great choice but requires some love and care to be driven correctly - the G50 is nice, but it is NOT a 915 either
my next car (if there ever is one) will likely be a 964 though - so what do I know
You seem like a good guy, post some pics of the cars - these guys are good at spotting "issues" even from pics
I will have pictures tonight I guess. The car is the possession of a trusted member of a french club.
I would love to find a non-leaking 964..they seem harder to find these days...