R Gruppe
06-07-2012, 10:07 PM
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06-08-2012, 01:38 AM
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Race Car
I don't know if there is still a single R Gruppe type of car anymore. I don't think mine is typical at all -- but I've been a member for over a decade.
But Bobaines is right, early911sregistry.org is the place to find them.
But Bobaines is right, early911sregistry.org is the place to find them.
06-08-2012, 12:01 PM
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Funny that I had a chat with Cris at the Parts Heaven swap meet last Sunday, and we went down memory lane about standing by our cars after class in the frigid parking lot at the College Of Alameda in the Fall of 1980 where he was talking up about what would become R Gruppe.
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06-08-2012, 12:16 PM
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As I understand it, an "R-Gruppe" car is a '64-'73 911 that exists as an expression of the owner's personal style and design choices when building the car.... but based on what I've read I think there also is a certain attitude/passion for the cars that makes the R-Gruppe brotherhood what it is.
Then again, all I know is what I've read.
For some really interesting builds (not necessarily "R-Gruppe"), check out impact bumpers "Gruppe IB" forum. I believe you have to sign up to view it - well worth it. Here's a link to the main page:
http://www.impactbumpers.com/forum/index.php?&CODE=01
Then again, all I know is what I've read.
For some really interesting builds (not necessarily "R-Gruppe"), check out impact bumpers "Gruppe IB" forum. I believe you have to sign up to view it - well worth it. Here's a link to the main page:
http://www.impactbumpers.com/forum/index.php?&CODE=01
06-08-2012, 02:47 PM
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As I understand it, an "R-Gruppe" car is a '64-'73 911 that exists as an expression of the owner's personal style and design choices when building the car.... but based on what I've read I think there also is a certain attitude/passion for the cars that makes the R-Gruppe brotherhood what it is.
The brotherhood is bound by the passion, and it is the cars that have the attitude.
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06-08-2012, 04:22 PM
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I don't know if there is still a single R Gruppe type of car anymore. I don't think mine is typical at all -- but I've been a member for over a decade.
But Bobaines is right, early911sregistry.org is the place to find them.
But Bobaines is right, early911sregistry.org is the place to find them.
06-08-2012, 07:28 PM
#12
What defines an RGruppe car is the intersection of the California hot rod culture and the factory Sports Porpose manual. This allows a lot of bandwidth in which to work, but when you see one you know it.
The brotherhood is bound by the passion, and it is the cars that have the attitude.
The brotherhood is bound by the passion, and it is the cars that have the attitude.
06-08-2012, 07:43 PM
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06-08-2012, 07:46 PM
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To recap the genisis of R Gruppe, I doubt I'd met anyone with more of an interest in the '68 911R than Cris Huergas circa 1980. This was long, long, long, long before anyone cared in the least about the SWB 911s. They were just old cars. (That my first 911, a '68 hacked into a wannabe S is what I scrounged up when I was 18 in 1980 should make that point clear.)
Anyway, Cris had a '72 T having just sold his 914 earlier in 1980. That's when we met (see above). He'd also met someone who'd shortly after become my good friend--Rodney Chew, who was a recent college grad who'd had a 912 for his commuter car. Real Porsche and Datsun 510/Z enthusiast.
Around '89, after I'd moved to Phoenix to finish college/open the first shop and returned to go to law school, I get a call one morning from Cris about a '69 S down the street from him sitting there as what we'd now call a "barn find." He had his '74 Carrera with a 3.0, and couldn't justify the $4K the owner wanted for the car. I passed, but he eventually bought it. Even though it was a '69, he had 911R plans. My cousin (who now does the 910/907 stuff) was still at Cal, and he was doing a '73 1/2 T-into-an-RS (the chassis listed below that's going to take all the mechanicals from Ed's "Ruby") so Cris had him do a quickie on the paint and body. (We were also doing slope and widebody conversions at that time, in addition to my 911 engine/transaxle business as time allowed going to school again.) All the little details started getting added to that car. What I remember most was the absolutely horrid bump steer, as the car was a good 1.5" too low. But all he was going for was "the look."
So the '69 S gets done, and somewhere along the way is where Cris met Freeman. I'd done Rodney's '72 T-into-RS at that point (real RS engine, the front bumper from Peter Gregg's first RS, and lots of other NOS parts), and whatever there was in early 911 enthusiasm was also tied in with Jim at EASY in Emeryville. There were a few other guys up here who I never knew very well, but since my '68 by that point was hacked more into an IROC/930/RSR/934, I never really hung out with what was becoming R Gruppe.
Anyway, Cris had a '72 T having just sold his 914 earlier in 1980. That's when we met (see above). He'd also met someone who'd shortly after become my good friend--Rodney Chew, who was a recent college grad who'd had a 912 for his commuter car. Real Porsche and Datsun 510/Z enthusiast.
Around '89, after I'd moved to Phoenix to finish college/open the first shop and returned to go to law school, I get a call one morning from Cris about a '69 S down the street from him sitting there as what we'd now call a "barn find." He had his '74 Carrera with a 3.0, and couldn't justify the $4K the owner wanted for the car. I passed, but he eventually bought it. Even though it was a '69, he had 911R plans. My cousin (who now does the 910/907 stuff) was still at Cal, and he was doing a '73 1/2 T-into-an-RS (the chassis listed below that's going to take all the mechanicals from Ed's "Ruby") so Cris had him do a quickie on the paint and body. (We were also doing slope and widebody conversions at that time, in addition to my 911 engine/transaxle business as time allowed going to school again.) All the little details started getting added to that car. What I remember most was the absolutely horrid bump steer, as the car was a good 1.5" too low. But all he was going for was "the look."
So the '69 S gets done, and somewhere along the way is where Cris met Freeman. I'd done Rodney's '72 T-into-RS at that point (real RS engine, the front bumper from Peter Gregg's first RS, and lots of other NOS parts), and whatever there was in early 911 enthusiasm was also tied in with Jim at EASY in Emeryville. There were a few other guys up here who I never knew very well, but since my '68 by that point was hacked more into an IROC/930/RSR/934, I never really hung out with what was becoming R Gruppe.
