Steve W

Ever since my friend bought his '96 993 Tiptronic Cab, he's been egging me for an acceleration race against my '84 Carrera. Andial teased him that a Tip is not a real Porsche and I occasionally remind him of it. Problem is if I loose, I'll never hear the end of it, not to mention the word he'll spread around to everyone we know. I've driven his car and I don't remember feeling any appreciable power difference between his car and mine, tough my car is not too much of a dog either. It has a Weltmeister chip, ExtrudeHoned manifolds, a larger throttle body, a cone K&N filter, a premuffler cat replacement, and lightly ported heads. Logically, I would think the cars would be fairly equal from 0-60, but beyond that, hp usually dominates, but his is a Tip and the Carreras are manual. Does anyone have any experience or input between these two?

JonM..

If he really wants to race you guys should take it to the track. The alfa club is running at Willow next month http://www.arosc.org/timetrialpage.htm
Nothing on the street really means very much. Trust me no matter who wins you will both be glad you did!

agent325

I think you might get the jump on him, but as speeds increase he will probably pull away.....if you guys race on the track, the better driver will win.....I use to have a midly modified 325 I, I went out to a POC event where some chick had brought out her 993 Cab Tip. She couldn't drive for Sh*t. I was doing circles around her including some Hondas. The car ussually matters on the track between equally talanted drivers, but driver experince and knowledge give the edge out on the track

Hugh

Race him! I'm thinking of goading my fancy uncle into the same thing during Xmas week. Riding in his 993 cabriolet tip the Thanksgiving before last resulted in my buying my first Porsche, the '84 Carrera I have now. My recent mods (C2 cams, dual outlet B&B, K&N intake, porting, aluminum clutch) made the car much quicker, especially at higher revs and speeds. I'm ready to goad unc into a little match. But you gotta realize that the weight ower ratio is still likely to put the '84 at a disadvantage. Rough #s may look something like this:

1996 993 cab: 3000lbs/285hp = 10.5lbs/hp
1984 911: 2700lbs/230hp(est) = 11.7lbs/hp

If someone else has more accurate #s, pls post them. Of course, my uncle is a good 50 lbs heavier than I am, and his 993 is a tip, so that may narrow it a bit. I will make sure to remind him! Also, remember to run your fuel tank down to fumes, and to pull your spare tire & tools out! Oh yeah, skip lunch too.

Cheers,

Tony'z911

This post is something that I'm used to seeing on the Honda Board that I frequent.
Steve- How is your tranny and synchros? That is the only thing that I worry about if/when I ever take off quickly from a light in an attempt to race someone up to 75-80 mph. My 1-2 synchro has seen better days and it usually takes me at least 1 full second to complete the 1-2 shift, then 2-3 isn't too much better, but I'm fine up beyond that.
Good luck and let us know how it turns out.
-T

Kevin

Forget the horsepower, its the torque and the 3.6 has it including a VRAM induction. You will probably get the hole shot but he will get you around 60 to 80 range. Do it for fun and post the results.

r22tek

I disagree with all of you....I think!
That 993 will suck the windshield off the 911 carrera- I should know-my friends 993 made my 85 targa look like a dog off the line and just kept going! It was a tip. as well. Even though my tranny/synchros are perfect as well as my bushings/coupler, you just CAN"T shift the 915 anywhere near as fast as the tiptronic! The only variable here is the mods he has done to his 84 carrera- I don't know how much more he's got under there. BUT....my car FEELS alot faster than the 993, tip. or stick; the 993 is just a much more plush, quiet, softer car, period.

r22tek

In addition, drag racing is just not a strong suit of the 911s in general. Why race and bully that thing into trying to be something that it's not? I did it when I first got the car and felt comfortable with the shifter, but I wouldn't ever do it again! Take it to the track- that's where you seperate the men from the boys! And that 84 carrera is no sloutch at the track.

Ross

I agree with doing it on a track, racing that is. Otherwise keep it fair and fun. I'm buying a 92 C2 turbo because of an uncle and his toys also. I'll be racing him, track of course, in about a week. I'll let you know how my somewhat modified C2 turbo fairs against his chipped/headered '02 twin turbo with a tip.

Good luck
Ross

Steve W

Thanks guys for all your input. I agree that racing on a track would be a blast and show all of our strengths and weaknesses, however the current issue is strictly a friendly quick power/acceleration competition. I am not fully convinced that a 4 speed tip will suck out my windshield. After all he's got a slushbox and I can chirp my rear 265/35-18s with a limited slip diff hard on my shift from first to second. I know a fast shift is unhealthy for the sychros, after all I took the tranny apart a couple of years back because of worn brake bands. It's funny that the tip won't let your rev past 4800-4900 before shifting, and that's in manual mode.

I've been trying to locate road test figures on the net with limited success. The best I have been able to find is that the '84-'89 Carreras do 0-60 anywhere from 5.4 to 6.1 seconds and 0 to 100 in 13.9. A '97 four-speed tip cab seems to report in at a consistent 6.3 to 60; don't know what it is for a 100. The 6 sp manual comes in at 5.2 and 12.9. However quarter mile times would tell me more. Does anyone have or know what those stats are? I would like to end his rumoring about the impotency of the Carreras, yet there's no need to confirm it to him if its true.

Millzeee

not a porsche but genarally known as a porsche beater "well it beat mine" had a race with a 1998 m3 in my 1985 carrera the other night 320 bhp against my 230 guy left me but wasn't to bad was keeping up pretty well

Randall G.

Hello Steve,

The factory quoted the '89 Carrera at 0-60 mph = 6.2s (maybe 6.1s?), 1/4 mile = 14.6s.

The factory quoted the '95 993 tip at a 0-60 time of 6.4s (a full second slower than the manual ), with a 1/4 time of 14.5s (as compared to the manual's 13.9s).

With the '96's VRAM, the times drop at best 0.1s for the tip (they dropped 0.1s for the manual).

Looks like the cars are pretty evenly matched. Considering your mods, you may prevail!

Steve W

Hi Randall,

Thanks for the stats. It sounds like a very close call. If we ever do have a run, I'll let you all know the results.

alex_95_cab

I've got a 95 Cab Tip so I'd be real interested in hearing the results.
BTW In manual mode I can faithfully testify that there is no automatic shifting at 4900 rpm. If I don't shift it'll red-line in every gear. In automatic mode it definitely will shift somewhere around 4900 rpm.
I've posted before about the times quoted in the manual that it is not clear whether those times are while using automatic mode (which has awful shifting) or manual mode and starting from 1st gear (the computer normally puts you into 2nd gear for fuel consumption and you have to purposefully drop down into 1st). So if anyone can tell me what mode those times are in I'd love to hear.

Randall G.

Hi Alex,

Unfortunately, based on the magazine road-tests I've read on the tip (which I presume would post the best possible acceleration figures), the factory figures are for the most efficient mode of shifting. The magazine road-tests I've read have shown similar to factory differences in manual/auto acceleration times.

Below are links to an old Car & Driver article on a tip C2. BTW, C&D was pretty harsh on the tip ... I've read other reviews that were much more positive.

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