Porsche vs. Honda Civic
01-05-2003, 10:57 AM
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Brian,
You know I may be dating myself, but I bought a 1980 Civic brand new and that thing was a piece of crap in less than four years. I viewed it as a throw-a-way car. You buy it use it up, then throw it away because it just wasn't worth putting any money into it.
So as MikeF says, just challenge him to take you on with a 20-yr old Honda and see what kind of excuses he gives you.
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Brian,
You know I may be dating myself, but I bought a 1980 Civic brand new and that thing was a piece of crap in less than four years. I viewed it as a throw-a-way car. You buy it use it up, then throw it away because it just wasn't worth putting any money into it.
So as MikeF says, just challenge him to take you on with a 20-yr old Honda and see what kind of excuses he gives you.
Randy: Tell us what you really think!
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01-05-2003, 10:59 AM
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See if he can hang with you at 240 km/h or try the "babe magnet" factor which is Porsche over Honda 160:1. Quite honestly, I'm not sure why you feel the need to defend your 911. It is quite capable of defending itself. Take him for a ride down a crowded street. There is no way he will get that much attention in his Honda.
01-05-2003, 01:53 PM
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Ask him why he is so defensive and trying so hard to prove himself and car so much?? Hmm...
must feel threatened by the SC...
Anyhow, I'd do what the other poster said.
Tell him your out of his league, and you can't be associated with so deperate to prove their worthiness to you.
You will not stoop to his level to prove you are better, when he already knows your better.... <img src="graemlins/icon501.gif" border="0" alt="[icon501]" />
must feel threatened by the SC...
Anyhow, I'd do what the other poster said.
Tell him your out of his league, and you can't be associated with so deperate to prove their worthiness to you.
You will not stoop to his level to prove you are better, when he already knows your better.... <img src="graemlins/icon501.gif" border="0" alt="[icon501]" />
01-05-2003, 02:40 PM
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First of all, if you think that you really need to defend a Porsche 911 against a Honda Civic, perhaps it's time for you to sell the car to someone who deserves it! <img src="graemlins/cussing.gif" border="0" alt="[grrrrrrr]" />
Secondly, your car should blow the doors off of the Civic and if it doesn't, who cares? Park them both downtown and see who goes home with a car-load of hotties for some threesome action... it won't be doofus in his econobox, that's for sure.
Thirdly, it is apples to oranges because there is 2 decades between your cars, about as long as the two of you guys have been alive, right? The point is, your 20 year old Porsche is worth the same as buddies new Civic. In ten years, your 30 year old Porsche will have gone up in value, while the grocery getter Honda will have a value of half. By the time the Civic hits 20, you'll have to pay someone to drag it away to the junkyard. Your now 40 year old Porsche will be a serious classic and be worth twice what you paid for it. Plus, you'll still be able to give 2020 model year Civics a run for thier money. Of course, by then, the whole rice fad will hopefully be over and people will once again see Hondas as efficient commuter cars which is what they have been since they hit North American shores in the 70's!
Honda... bah!
Secondly, your car should blow the doors off of the Civic and if it doesn't, who cares? Park them both downtown and see who goes home with a car-load of hotties for some threesome action... it won't be doofus in his econobox, that's for sure.
Thirdly, it is apples to oranges because there is 2 decades between your cars, about as long as the two of you guys have been alive, right? The point is, your 20 year old Porsche is worth the same as buddies new Civic. In ten years, your 30 year old Porsche will have gone up in value, while the grocery getter Honda will have a value of half. By the time the Civic hits 20, you'll have to pay someone to drag it away to the junkyard. Your now 40 year old Porsche will be a serious classic and be worth twice what you paid for it. Plus, you'll still be able to give 2020 model year Civics a run for thier money. Of course, by then, the whole rice fad will hopefully be over and people will once again see Hondas as efficient commuter cars which is what they have been since they hit North American shores in the 70's!
Honda... bah!
01-05-2003, 03:30 PM
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I feel the reason to compete with him simply because it is fun. He actually believes deep down that his civic his better than the p-ca, so its fun to yap back and forth. I guess one of the reasons he loves his car so much is v-tec. Have you ever been in one of those. Its not bad. A lot of noise(which cause one to think they are going faster than they are) but I don't think its that quick. Its just a fun pissing contest but one which the other guy takes vary seriously and I am just tired of being battered!!! Time to fight back. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" />
01-05-2003, 06:23 PM
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VTEC is just valve timing... nothing special. The rice boys seem to think its some sort of magical turbo... its not. BMW has been doing it for years, Porsche does it... and the only difference between Honda and BMW in this respect is that BMW doesnt plaster VANOS all over the car. Almost every manufacturer uses some form of valve timing, VTEC is simply what Honda calls thiers. Your freinds an idiot.
01-05-2003, 07:42 PM
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A stock 180hp 911SC could own a Civic Si in any category, including straight line.
A 911SC with a 3.2L engine transplant will just embarass the Civic.
Give him a run.
A 911SC with a 3.2L engine transplant will just embarass the Civic.
Give him a run.
01-05-2003, 09:06 PM
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Chances are he already knows what your porsche could do to his Honda on a track.
Randy mentioned that the 911 had the ability to add on HP easily. You think so? From what I have seen and heard, it costs a real lot to go past a certain point. Apart from things like muffler, cams and SSi's its not easy.
Randy mentioned that the 911 had the ability to add on HP easily. You think so? From what I have seen and heard, it costs a real lot to go past a certain point. Apart from things like muffler, cams and SSi's its not easy.
01-06-2003, 02:07 AM
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Tinton,
What I was trying to say was that the parts are durable enough for substansial increases, as they come on the car, and they're strong enough for track use. Rememember that people sometimes take these cars straight off the showroom and right onto the track. It also depends a lot on how you define "easy", and exactly to what point of increases are you talking? The mods you are talking about are simple and don't detract from the drivability from the car, which is plenty quick as is. They did such a good job with the car there's precious few pieces that are simple bolt -on's that really make a difference anymore, esp. in the later years. -
But-
My point being is that apart from the induction system (CIS I figure you're referring to) of a 911, the STOCK parts are strong enough to do what you need them to. If you're really trying to say it isn't "CHEAP", true from that standpoint it's not - but bet your a$$ the motor will live a lot longer than a Honda with a similar increase in HP.
Try to get a reliable 20% increase in HP, without redoing rods, cranks, heads and pistons. My point is that out of the box they're not stout enough for the increases. It's all about quality.
If you're comparing against a Chevy on the other hand.....
And Edit: While writing this, this popped up on pelican - Note the use of parts on the engine in question, and read the rest of the thread - nothing exotic but a decent increase, and it's drivable. (35% more hp):
<a href="http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93150" target="_blank">http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93150</a>
rjp
What I was trying to say was that the parts are durable enough for substansial increases, as they come on the car, and they're strong enough for track use. Rememember that people sometimes take these cars straight off the showroom and right onto the track. It also depends a lot on how you define "easy", and exactly to what point of increases are you talking? The mods you are talking about are simple and don't detract from the drivability from the car, which is plenty quick as is. They did such a good job with the car there's precious few pieces that are simple bolt -on's that really make a difference anymore, esp. in the later years. -
But-
My point being is that apart from the induction system (CIS I figure you're referring to) of a 911, the STOCK parts are strong enough to do what you need them to. If you're really trying to say it isn't "CHEAP", true from that standpoint it's not - but bet your a$$ the motor will live a lot longer than a Honda with a similar increase in HP.
Try to get a reliable 20% increase in HP, without redoing rods, cranks, heads and pistons. My point is that out of the box they're not stout enough for the increases. It's all about quality.
If you're comparing against a Chevy on the other hand.....
And Edit: While writing this, this popped up on pelican - Note the use of parts on the engine in question, and read the rest of the thread - nothing exotic but a decent increase, and it's drivable. (35% more hp):
<a href="http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93150" target="_blank">http://forums.pelicanparts.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93150</a>
rjp
01-06-2003, 05:15 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Stuttgart951:
<strong>VTEC is just valve timing... nothing special. The rice boys seem to think its some sort of magical turbo... its not. BMW has been doing it for years, Porsche does it... and the only difference between Honda and BMW in this respect is that BMW doesnt plaster VANOS all over the car. Almost every manufacturer uses some form of valve timing, VTEC is simply what Honda calls thiers. Your freinds an idiot.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not to pick nits, but VTEC is not valve timing. It's like have a second set of cams in the engine. A completely different set of cam lobes are engaged when the vtec kicks in. It is not advancing or retarding the cams like on BMW's and Porsches.
<strong>VTEC is just valve timing... nothing special. The rice boys seem to think its some sort of magical turbo... its not. BMW has been doing it for years, Porsche does it... and the only difference between Honda and BMW in this respect is that BMW doesnt plaster VANOS all over the car. Almost every manufacturer uses some form of valve timing, VTEC is simply what Honda calls thiers. Your freinds an idiot.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Not to pick nits, but VTEC is not valve timing. It's like have a second set of cams in the engine. A completely different set of cam lobes are engaged when the vtec kicks in. It is not advancing or retarding the cams like on BMW's and Porsches.
01-06-2003, 09:51 AM
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Brian, the best approach is to just listen to him, try to act interested, rub your chin, knod your head, let him go on. Then aggree with him, smile and tell him he's probably right. It will drive him nuts. What do you have to prove? You're driving a Porsche, he's driving a Honda.
01-06-2003, 12:33 PM
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Hi Brian,
Honda makes great motors- they have incredible horsepower per litre, are very durable and get great mileage.
Porsche makes great CARS. There's a difference.
"Sporty" cars are front wheel drive. Sports cars aren't. I know that God loves us, because He gave us power-on oversteer. (And women, but that's another subject entirely.)
I feel your pain.
I too had a friend with a brand new Honda (Acura RSX Type-S, actually). He has 200hp from a 2 liter motor, and my stock, 17 year old Carrera has 202hp from 3.2liters. Drag races produced three dead heats. However, when we went to a Driver's Ed event hosted by Team Continental, I lapped him on the track. (When you share this story, feel free to not mention that I had some track experience and he had not. )
After logging nearly a quarter million miles on Hondas and Acuras over the last 14 years, I have come to the following conclusion:
Porsche- there is no substitute.
Oh, BTW remember- "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it."
Derrick B.
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Honda makes great motors- they have incredible horsepower per litre, are very durable and get great mileage.
Porsche makes great CARS. There's a difference.
"Sporty" cars are front wheel drive. Sports cars aren't. I know that God loves us, because He gave us power-on oversteer. (And women, but that's another subject entirely.)
I feel your pain.
I too had a friend with a brand new Honda (Acura RSX Type-S, actually). He has 200hp from a 2 liter motor, and my stock, 17 year old Carrera has 202hp from 3.2liters. Drag races produced three dead heats. However, when we went to a Driver's Ed event hosted by Team Continental, I lapped him on the track. (When you share this story, feel free to not mention that I had some track experience and he had not.
)After logging nearly a quarter million miles on Hondas and Acuras over the last 14 years, I have come to the following conclusion:
Porsche- there is no substitute.
Oh, BTW remember- "Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it."
Derrick B.
85 Carrera
Long string of Hondas
01-06-2003, 01:22 PM
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Just go out and blow past the Honda. If you won't do it, then hand the keys to me and I will.
I had a few of these rice racer punks asking to play with the 928. They backed off when the
V-Tec became an obviously slow V-Turd.
I had a few of these rice racer punks asking to play with the 928. They backed off when the
V-Tec became an obviously slow V-Turd.
01-07-2003, 01:07 PM
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Take the Civic up to about 120 per and see how long you want to stay there - 30 secs?.
I haven't been able to try this but my track experince tells me I could travel at that speed in my '86.
I haven't been able to try this but my track experince tells me I could travel at that speed in my '86.