Porsche vs. Honda Civic
01-21-2003, 02:12 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">his will corner better</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">that almost put me in tears, i'm laughing so hard...
in a case like this, you don't even need to say anything...just laugh. the SOUND of your 3.2 should be enough to make the silly civic go yelping away.
He's in the 100hp per liter club...ok...how much torque per liter though? japanese engines are notorious for having high hp and no torque simply because they've made the redline 9k. I think your friends civic is 150hp and 115 torque.
I don't think his hampsters can run faster than yours
in a case like this, you don't even need to say anything...just laugh. the SOUND of your 3.2 should be enough to make the silly civic go yelping away.
He's in the 100hp per liter club...ok...how much torque per liter though? japanese engines are notorious for having high hp and no torque simply because they've made the redline 9k. I think your friends civic is 150hp and 115 torque.
I don't think his hampsters can run faster than yours
01-22-2003, 10:17 AM
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Regardless of what he "says" - he's still driving a Honda - you have a Porsche. 20+ years old or not, your Porsche is fine expression of automotive craftsmanship and history. His is.. well, a Honda - no history, no nothing. Put a fart box on it and go away.
There's not much more to say except, you're 22 years old - how many women your age want to experience the thrill of just being in your porsche? Ok.. now - how many want a ride home from college in his rice? -nuff said.
There's not much more to say except, you're 22 years old - how many women your age want to experience the thrill of just being in your porsche? Ok.. now - how many want a ride home from college in his rice? -nuff said.
01-22-2003, 08:03 PM
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Okay, can't help myself.
Tell your friend this:
"If you're ever around the Denver area look for an old hillrod livin' up in the mountains. He's got a '76 911s 2.7 almost stock and he'll clean you're mother lovin' clocks hands down. Probably in 1/4 too although he thinks draggin' is best left to little queens with too much eye shadow."
Then say:
"That old hillrod has MUCH less money in his car and will certainly never LOSE money like you on that new civic"
(remember, you're not losing money either!!)
Then say,
"if your motor isn't scrambled and screamin' for mercy after about 50 miles of abuse then the old fart will turn around and run you in an '83 944 n/a just for giggles. He's got the perfect road and he say's you can lead going down it while he drafts your tail . . . and then he'll eventually lose you in the twisties on the way back."
After having initial fun we can all pitch for track time and I'll let him chase me until he blows.
Better yet, forget about the loser. He's the one with the envy problem. My main driver right now is a bone stock '83 944. I've been dusted by many who think drag racing is the bomb and bolt on Kenworth turbos trying to beat some other POS ricecake, so what!
Really, tell him you'll pitch in for a track and you guys can run out for about two hours on end. I don't think he'll say much after that.
Tell your friend this:
"If you're ever around the Denver area look for an old hillrod livin' up in the mountains. He's got a '76 911s 2.7 almost stock and he'll clean you're mother lovin' clocks hands down. Probably in 1/4 too although he thinks draggin' is best left to little queens with too much eye shadow."
Then say:
"That old hillrod has MUCH less money in his car and will certainly never LOSE money like you on that new civic"
(remember, you're not losing money either!!)
Then say,
"if your motor isn't scrambled and screamin' for mercy after about 50 miles of abuse then the old fart will turn around and run you in an '83 944 n/a just for giggles. He's got the perfect road and he say's you can lead going down it while he drafts your tail . . . and then he'll eventually lose you in the twisties on the way back."
After having initial fun we can all pitch for track time and I'll let him chase me until he blows.
Better yet, forget about the loser. He's the one with the envy problem. My main driver right now is a bone stock '83 944. I've been dusted by many who think drag racing is the bomb and bolt on Kenworth turbos trying to beat some other POS ricecake, so what!
Really, tell him you'll pitch in for a track and you guys can run out for about two hours on end. I don't think he'll say much after that.
01-23-2003, 11:27 AM
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Just tried jumping my daughters Honda Prelude this morning.... Too cold, poor bugger wouldn't start. It's a nice looking (on the outside) late model Prelude. But it rattles everywhere inside, it's slow and handles rather poorly.
Funny, my German built Beemer fired right up this morning. She even tried helping the Honda get started... In the end, we whisked my daughters to school in scrumptious heated leather, had a great conversation in a wonderfully quiet cabin and I got them there on time (fairly fast car).
Tell your buddy that one of my trainers has a fairly stock Dodge Neon (POC) that will beat the pants off his Honda. He races ricers regularly and wins frequently. He even has the obligatory wing and coffee can exaust to ensure fitting in.... He loved his car until we drove to Milwaukee in my Beemer.... Now he wants a beemer bad, loves the German quality and the complete package a German car can provide. Sold my old Beemer to a buddy at work... Former ricer who now uses my old 323I for autocrossing.
Yes, Iv'e known many former ricers.... That silent group of enthusiasts who grow and mature and buy what's appealing to them.... Usually ending up with a German auto. I wouldn't worry so much about your friends nasty comments. In fact, I'm not sure I'd call him a friend if continues to bash your personal choice rather than show interest and respect......
Sorry so long... Cold here today and I'm home alone enjoying the quiet....
Eric
Soon to add a 911 to the family!
Funny, my German built Beemer fired right up this morning. She even tried helping the Honda get started... In the end, we whisked my daughters to school in scrumptious heated leather, had a great conversation in a wonderfully quiet cabin and I got them there on time (fairly fast car).
Tell your buddy that one of my trainers has a fairly stock Dodge Neon (POC) that will beat the pants off his Honda. He races ricers regularly and wins frequently. He even has the obligatory wing and coffee can exaust to ensure fitting in.... He loved his car until we drove to Milwaukee in my Beemer.... Now he wants a beemer bad, loves the German quality and the complete package a German car can provide. Sold my old Beemer to a buddy at work... Former ricer who now uses my old 323I for autocrossing.
Yes, Iv'e known many former ricers.... That silent group of enthusiasts who grow and mature and buy what's appealing to them.... Usually ending up with a German auto. I wouldn't worry so much about your friends nasty comments. In fact, I'm not sure I'd call him a friend if continues to bash your personal choice rather than show interest and respect......
Sorry so long... Cold here today and I'm home alone enjoying the quiet....
Eric
Soon to add a 911 to the family!
01-23-2003, 09:53 PM
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I have recently aquired a Porsche and their is no comparison to the two. I'm a fairly young driver at 17 and I always have to deal with coffee can exhaust and 2000 dollar stereo in a 500 dollar car. I've ridden in Hondas and they are just no fun. There is nothing very interesting about them and the people who drive them. Everybody thinks I'm crazy for not buying a Honda but it is an experience owning a 70 911T. There is just nothing quite like it.
01-24-2003, 02:17 PM
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Heres some Honda pictures to think about... 
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01-24-2003, 08:31 PM
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Honda? You've got to be kidding, Someday your friend will awaken from his toululine induced stupor and realize how truely foolish his rantings have been. Until that day, take comfort in the fact that 20years old or 20minutes old, you are the owner of one of the finest automobiles ever made. Porsche has the greatest performance legacy of any car company in the world!!! Honda... well they do get great mileage.
01-26-2003, 11:51 PM
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LMAO. Brian...I gotta believe this to be nothing more than an attempt to get people to toss in their two cents. How about "Dude....nice wing with the Honda attached" or "Dude....you got a Honda to go with that coffee can". I find it rather hard to believe you can't dig up a quick comeback for some looser kid in a Honda...ouch!
01-28-2003, 04:55 PM
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First post here never thought I'd be engaging in this but....firstly there is a 3.1Ltr SC one article is at <a href="http://users.compaqnet.be/skyimages/porsche2/p911/SC/911sc31.html" target="_blank">http://users.compaqnet.be/skyimages/porsche2/p911/SC/911sc31.html</a>
.....but I have never heard of 3.2SC apart from in modified cars . I've owned my SC for 16yrs and been interested in Porsche for years before ownership.......whilst I don't feel in the slightest threatened by boy racers there is a Civic available here in the UK with this spec.
'Powered by a new 2.0 litre DOHC i-VTEC engine developing a mighty 200 PS (197 bhp) at 7,400 rpm, the new Civic rockets to 60mph in 6.4 seconds - and carries on to top 146 mph. Maximum torque is 196Nm (145lb-ft) at 5,900rpm, promising levels of performance better than of the Integra Type-R - the car that the Civic Type-R replaces.
Matching the engine is a 6-speed, close ratio manual gearbox. Carefully spaced ratios ensure that engine revs remain within the power band during acceleration, while overall gearing is firmly biased towards performance - sixth gear is a usable ratio, not an economy oriented cruising gear. High performance gearbox synchronisers and a highly efficient changing mechanism allow extremely quick and precise gear changes.
The new Civic 3 door, with its extremely rigid body and highly praised suspension design, provides an ideal platform for a high performance derivative. Nevertheless, Honda has introduced additional stiffening to give the Type-R greater tautness and precision.
A strut across the rear of the engine bay increases horizontal rigidity at the front of the car, while at the rear, vertical rigidity is maximised through locating an additional strut between the wheelarches.
Firmer dampers and springs and alloy wheels shod with 205/45 R17 tyres connect the car to the road. Backed up by a programme of extensive testing at Germany's demanding Nurburgring, the package ensures that the Civic Type-R possesses excellent chassis dynamics, with a high degree of linearity in its handling behaviour. In particular, it is even more responsive to steering input than the fabled Integra Type-R' .
Article at <a href="http://www.hondacivictype-r.com/details.html" target="_blank">http://www.hondacivictype-r.com/details.html</a>
But I'm more interested in finding out what the 3.2SC is...it isn't a factory car known to mankind
.....but I have never heard of 3.2SC apart from in modified cars . I've owned my SC for 16yrs and been interested in Porsche for years before ownership.......whilst I don't feel in the slightest threatened by boy racers there is a Civic available here in the UK with this spec.
'Powered by a new 2.0 litre DOHC i-VTEC engine developing a mighty 200 PS (197 bhp) at 7,400 rpm, the new Civic rockets to 60mph in 6.4 seconds - and carries on to top 146 mph. Maximum torque is 196Nm (145lb-ft) at 5,900rpm, promising levels of performance better than of the Integra Type-R - the car that the Civic Type-R replaces.
Matching the engine is a 6-speed, close ratio manual gearbox. Carefully spaced ratios ensure that engine revs remain within the power band during acceleration, while overall gearing is firmly biased towards performance - sixth gear is a usable ratio, not an economy oriented cruising gear. High performance gearbox synchronisers and a highly efficient changing mechanism allow extremely quick and precise gear changes.
The new Civic 3 door, with its extremely rigid body and highly praised suspension design, provides an ideal platform for a high performance derivative. Nevertheless, Honda has introduced additional stiffening to give the Type-R greater tautness and precision.
A strut across the rear of the engine bay increases horizontal rigidity at the front of the car, while at the rear, vertical rigidity is maximised through locating an additional strut between the wheelarches.
Firmer dampers and springs and alloy wheels shod with 205/45 R17 tyres connect the car to the road. Backed up by a programme of extensive testing at Germany's demanding Nurburgring, the package ensures that the Civic Type-R possesses excellent chassis dynamics, with a high degree of linearity in its handling behaviour. In particular, it is even more responsive to steering input than the fabled Integra Type-R' .
Article at <a href="http://www.hondacivictype-r.com/details.html" target="_blank">http://www.hondacivictype-r.com/details.html</a>
But I'm more interested in finding out what the 3.2SC is...it isn't a factory car known to mankind
01-28-2003, 07:29 PM
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About the 3.2. The more I find out the more I believe it is just a 3.0. I had originally thought this because ths stickers on the car for entry to the states said 3.2. That is probably wrong. However, I am wondering how to know exactlty what it is w/o tearing the motor down. The other reason why I thought that may be that is because I come from the world of Chevy's so its been a hard road for to learn all this stuff. When you have limited information all the way around you have limited thought. It is my fault for not having the confidence in my car because when you go from a 450hp Chevelle to a Porsche it is just a different world and a hard world to get aklimated to.
01-29-2003, 05:16 PM
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brian go to
<a href="http://www.adelgigs.com/scproductiondata.htm" target="_blank">http://www.adelgigs.com/scproductiondata.htm</a>
and you should be able to see what your car is from the list by the engine and chassis no.
<a href="http://www.adelgigs.com/scproductiondata.htm" target="_blank">http://www.adelgigs.com/scproductiondata.htm</a>
and you should be able to see what your car is from the list by the engine and chassis no.
02-03-2003, 02:55 AM
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The want ads in any major newspaper or the autotrader are chock full of 20-30yr old P-cars, It is tough to find an opperational 15year old Honda, let alone one that could ever touch your car for either style or substance. You really should stop these silly debates with your friend, he's an idiot!!!
02-03-2003, 04:11 PM
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Ok, I resisted the temptation to jump into this thread before, but now that I've seen it pop up again I can't resist any longer. I thought this type of "other car" bashing was unique to the "immature" ricer forums, but I see it's alive and well here as well.
While I agree that Porsche's are far superior automobiles in many ways, I also feel that Honda deserves a great deal of respect and admiration for what they do. Honda makes automobiles for the masses, not for the well financed sports car fan. Honda's cars are priced reasonably, hold their value very well, are cheap to run, and very reliable. And while it's open to debate, many are fun to drive. Honda prides itself on extracting the maximum power from minimum displacement, while maintining good fuel economy. I'd give them a pat on the back! Instead they are criticized for having an engine that rev's to 8000 rpm's. Viper owners laugh at Porsche owners because of no low end power, so I guess it's Ok for you to laugh at Honda's.
For a young sports car enthusiast with limited funds starting out in the world, there are few better options than Honda. I learned to heal and toe, shift properly, carry speed through corners, etc... on an 87 CRX Si which was an absolute blast to drive. I put nearly 20,000 hard miles per year on the car and it never complained. Great gas mileage, low maintenance costs, and the ability to drive it in the winter were bonuses. Final tally: 130,000 miles and still running like a top. No way could I have afforded to abuse a Porsche like this. For building a fun car like this, I applaud Honda. I have since owned another CRX (140,000miles) and now my 2000 Civic Si. Each car has been very entertaining, frugal, reliable and a blast to drive. It's not a Porsche, but it was never intended to be.
Some of the other nonsense on this thread: "Honda has no racing history and simply builds fuel efficient cars." What about racing in F1 since the 1960's, winning multiple World Championsips? How about multiple IndyCar wins and championships? How about countless victories and National Championships in SCCA club racing, SOLO (autocrossing), etc... etc... There are not many companies in the world that can match Honda's racing history.
"You'd be lucky to find a Honda still running after 15 years." True, well maintained older Honda's are hard to find. However, I think this has more to do with how they are used than how good of a car they are. Sporty Honda's are bought as primary transportation by young kids who quite often don't take care of them, don't garage them, and drive them into the ground. Porsche's are not subjected to this type of torture. If Honda's were bought and only driven on nice days and only had 80,000 miles after 15 years, I guarantee that there would be many, many more still around.
Anyway, I wish people didn't feel the need to make themselves feel important by bashing others cars. I personally admire all cars built with the joy of driving in mind. Some I prefer over others, but I respect them all.
Now that my 993 cab will be arriving in a few weeks, maybe I'll turn over a new leaf and start on some bashing of my own. Hmm.... maybe I should start on you lowly 911 owners! <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />
While I agree that Porsche's are far superior automobiles in many ways, I also feel that Honda deserves a great deal of respect and admiration for what they do. Honda makes automobiles for the masses, not for the well financed sports car fan. Honda's cars are priced reasonably, hold their value very well, are cheap to run, and very reliable. And while it's open to debate, many are fun to drive. Honda prides itself on extracting the maximum power from minimum displacement, while maintining good fuel economy. I'd give them a pat on the back! Instead they are criticized for having an engine that rev's to 8000 rpm's. Viper owners laugh at Porsche owners because of no low end power, so I guess it's Ok for you to laugh at Honda's.
For a young sports car enthusiast with limited funds starting out in the world, there are few better options than Honda. I learned to heal and toe, shift properly, carry speed through corners, etc... on an 87 CRX Si which was an absolute blast to drive. I put nearly 20,000 hard miles per year on the car and it never complained. Great gas mileage, low maintenance costs, and the ability to drive it in the winter were bonuses. Final tally: 130,000 miles and still running like a top. No way could I have afforded to abuse a Porsche like this. For building a fun car like this, I applaud Honda. I have since owned another CRX (140,000miles) and now my 2000 Civic Si. Each car has been very entertaining, frugal, reliable and a blast to drive. It's not a Porsche, but it was never intended to be.
Some of the other nonsense on this thread: "Honda has no racing history and simply builds fuel efficient cars." What about racing in F1 since the 1960's, winning multiple World Championsips? How about multiple IndyCar wins and championships? How about countless victories and National Championships in SCCA club racing, SOLO (autocrossing), etc... etc... There are not many companies in the world that can match Honda's racing history.
"You'd be lucky to find a Honda still running after 15 years." True, well maintained older Honda's are hard to find. However, I think this has more to do with how they are used than how good of a car they are. Sporty Honda's are bought as primary transportation by young kids who quite often don't take care of them, don't garage them, and drive them into the ground. Porsche's are not subjected to this type of torture. If Honda's were bought and only driven on nice days and only had 80,000 miles after 15 years, I guarantee that there would be many, many more still around.
Anyway, I wish people didn't feel the need to make themselves feel important by bashing others cars. I personally admire all cars built with the joy of driving in mind. Some I prefer over others, but I respect them all.
Now that my 993 cab will be arriving in a few weeks, maybe I'll turn over a new leaf and start on some bashing of my own. Hmm.... maybe I should start on you lowly 911 owners! <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />