Engine upgrade
01-15-2011, 08:30 PM
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That is a beauty John. Did you do all or most of the work yourself? I've already committed to the engine so I'm in now. If I keep at it my car will be your car in about 10 years. Holy crap is that nice. Anyway I plan on winning the lottery this summer so free turbos for all you guys (just the turbo, not the car).
Check out this website. They're doing the conversion.
www.elegantmotors.ca
Check out this website. They're doing the conversion.
www.elegantmotors.ca
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01-17-2011, 12:13 AM
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01-17-2011, 11:22 AM
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01-17-2011, 11:37 AM
#50
Quick is relative to the driver...... When I was 16, my Bronco II felt quick. It was 105 HP and 2900 lbs. It felt quick because it was a 5-speed.
01-17-2011, 11:45 AM
#51
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come on now. These are fun cars...but "scary quick" they aren't unless the last thing you drove was made in east germany
01-17-2011, 12:02 PM
#52
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But look how our perspective has changed over the past 15 years. Even in 1995 you'd say a stock 930 was "quick." But it is/was a car that had "only" 280HP in a 3200 lb. chassis (including driver and nominal load). All it had going for it was the thrill effect of weird power delivery. Which was fine for its intended purpose-hauling *** at top speed for hundreds of km at a time on the autobahn. Here? What a joke. Until you got to self-engineering the thing.
So let's take that V6 Accord. Even from 2001, which is my mom's car. Same "power" as my C4S. Which car do I loathe driving, and really only use the part throttle torque of the engine to gently accelerate into surrounding traffic? Kinda reminds me of a 930 in some manner. I had many, many, many customers with them when I had my shop in the '80s. Granted, we didn't have the sophistication/experience of today. But whether it was a new US model ('86-'88) or a POS gray market that ended up over here ('78-'85), I spent a whole lot of time counseling customers on how much drivability mods were going to cost or explaining the reality of the car in context of their 20 mile, 30MPH average stop-and-go commute.
01-17-2011, 12:16 PM
#53
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Like a Carrera GT? Was made in Leipzig, right? (I know you're talking Trabants, and the former East Germany...........)
But look how our perspective has changed over the past 15 years. Even in 1995 you'd say a stock 930 was "quick." But it is/was a car that had "only" 280HP in a 3200 lb. chassis (including driver and nominal load). All it had going for it was the thrill effect of weird power delivery. Which was fine for its intended purpose-hauling *** at top speed for hundreds of km at a time on the autobahn. Here? What a joke. Until you got to self-engineering the thing.
So let's take that V6 Accord. Even from 2001, which is my mom's car. Same "power" as my C4S. Which car do I loathe driving, and really only use the part throttle torque of the engine to gently accelerate into surrounding traffic? Kinda reminds me of a 930 in some manner. I had many, many, many customers with them when I had my shop in the '80s. Granted, we didn't have the sophistication/experience of today. But whether it was a new US model ('86-'88) or a POS gray market that ended up over here ('78-'85), I spent a whole lot of time counseling customers on how much drivability mods were going to cost or explaining the reality of the car in context of their 20 mile, 30MPH average stop-and-go commute.
But look how our perspective has changed over the past 15 years. Even in 1995 you'd say a stock 930 was "quick." But it is/was a car that had "only" 280HP in a 3200 lb. chassis (including driver and nominal load). All it had going for it was the thrill effect of weird power delivery. Which was fine for its intended purpose-hauling *** at top speed for hundreds of km at a time on the autobahn. Here? What a joke. Until you got to self-engineering the thing.
So let's take that V6 Accord. Even from 2001, which is my mom's car. Same "power" as my C4S. Which car do I loathe driving, and really only use the part throttle torque of the engine to gently accelerate into surrounding traffic? Kinda reminds me of a 930 in some manner. I had many, many, many customers with them when I had my shop in the '80s. Granted, we didn't have the sophistication/experience of today. But whether it was a new US model ('86-'88) or a POS gray market that ended up over here ('78-'85), I spent a whole lot of time counseling customers on how much drivability mods were going to cost or explaining the reality of the car in context of their 20 mile, 30MPH average stop-and-go commute.
for reference, I find my 993TT mildly quick
01-17-2011, 12:26 PM
#54
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Wow, you are really in the know. Almost not worth responding to. First off ALL your numbers are wrong. My car is an '88 manual cab A/C delete. Our overlords here on rennlist have asked that I not boast about my MaxHP Multi board because it out-performs the chips offered by our site sponsors. It has been several years since I have used anything but a 50/50 blend of 91/100 octane so lets give it a 95 RON octane number. My compression numbers are good and my injectors flow correctly. In other words your HP numbers are way low and your weight is way high. My rev limiter is no longer at 5,900, but rather north of 7,200. Dropping it into second gear on the on-ramp is most definitely neck snapping. If you haven't had the pleasure of knowing the joy of a well running 911 then I fully expect you to remain in your current state.
01-17-2011, 12:35 PM
#55
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Wow, you are really in the know. Almost not worth responding to. First off ALL your numbers are wrong. My car is an '88 manual cab A/C delete. Our overlords here on rennlist have asked that I not boast about my MaxHP Multi board because it out-performs the chips offered by our site sponsors. It has been several years since I have used anything but a 50/50 blend of 91/100 octane so lets give it a 95 RON octane number. My compression numbers are good and my injectors flow correctly. In other words your HP numbers are way low and your weight is way high. My rev limiter is no longer at 5,900, but rather north of 7,200. Dropping it into second gear on the on-ramp is most definitely neck snapping. If you haven't had the pleasure of knowing the joy of a well running 911 then I fully expect you to remain in your current state.
01-17-2011, 12:48 PM
#56
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By modern standards my car is a toad...fine. I did not claim a 1950 pound club racer or 850 HP 911Design power plant.
What I have is just a slightly modified N/A engine that you turbo guys will never understand. It is not muffled or homogenized by the turbo. it is free to rev instantly and does not have to wait for the turbo lag to tell it what to do. It goes the instant it is stepped on, not a half second later once the turdbo gets up to speed. Anyway,
What I have is just a slightly modified N/A engine that you turbo guys will never understand. It is not muffled or homogenized by the turbo. it is free to rev instantly and does not have to wait for the turbo lag to tell it what to do. It goes the instant it is stepped on, not a half second later once the turdbo gets up to speed. Anyway,
01-17-2011, 01:11 PM
#57
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Here....just close your eyes and listen to Spencer (currently supercharging his Porsche) wet his pants as his neck snaps when I drop the clutch. this was just a split second run up to about 30 miles an hour, but what a split second it was. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8lDnLKAXc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8lDnLKAXc
01-17-2011, 01:45 PM
#59
01-17-2011, 01:58 PM
#60
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By modern standards my car is a toad...fine. I did not claim a 1950 pound club racer or 850 HP 911Design power plant.
What I have is just a slightly modified N/A engine that you turbo guys will never understand. It is not muffled or homogenized by the turbo. it is free to rev instantly and does not have to wait for the turbo lag to tell it what to do. It goes the instant it is stepped on, not a half second later once the turdbo gets up to speed. Anyway,
What I have is just a slightly modified N/A engine that you turbo guys will never understand. It is not muffled or homogenized by the turbo. it is free to rev instantly and does not have to wait for the turbo lag to tell it what to do. It goes the instant it is stepped on, not a half second later once the turdbo gets up to speed. Anyway,
Here....just close your eyes and listen to Spencer (currently supercharging his Porsche) wet his pants as his neck snaps when I drop the clutch. this was just a split second run up to about 30 miles an hour, but what a split second it was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8lDnLKAXc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM8lDnLKAXc
Nope. I'm not a skilled track driver. I just prefer cars that accelerate a little harder than 217bhp is going to achieve.
Maybe I have unusually strong neck muscles...who knows.