1986 911 Carrera Low miles for Sale - Car Sold Update with sale price
07-13-2009, 10:12 AM
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Sorry mate, but that is the incorrect odometer for that model year. Your car has a 1987+ odometer in it. I would have thought someone else would wonder about that as well. On US cars from '83-'86 model year the correct speedometer has a circle between the outer MPH reading and the inner Kph reading. Not at all uncommon for them to be replaced at some point by the one you have without the circle, but to the best of my knowledge especially being that your car was built in '85 it should have the other speedometer in it. Other owners of similar vintages please chime in.
07-13-2009, 02:43 PM
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HOWEVER - look on eBay, and you'll see quite a few '86 911s with the "ringless" odometers. These are on vehicle with 100K+ miles, so there would be no incentive to change out the odometer to falsify such high mileage.
Makes one wonder - was this a changeover period, where some had rings and some didn't, or were there a lot of premature failures of these units?
Makes one wonder - was this a changeover period, where some had rings and some didn't, or were there a lot of premature failures of these units?
07-13-2009, 02:55 PM
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Changeover was 1987 MODEL YEAR for US cars, oddly I think that UK cars contnued to use the speedo with the circle until '89 or change over to 964 body. This is a little detail that many people do not know but once they do can put to good use. I am not trying to accuse which it may seem, just trying to get the facts straight. I love phone dials, esp on Targas don't ask me why, just a unique look which is rare to see today on any 911 of this vintage. It was not unheard for the speedometers to fail with low miles or them to run to 200,000 miles without issue. Luck of the draw I suppose.
07-13-2009, 03:49 PM
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First of all the VIN number of the car proves that this is a 1986 model year that was built on 12-85.
85 model years have the chassis number 91 FS in the vin. This car has has the chassis number 91 GS proving it is an 86 model year.
Second of all 1986 must have been a change over year because I know for a fact that this is the original speedometer and mileage for the car.
(this could be similair to how the 1985 944 and 1985.5 944 has different dashes and interiors)
85 model years have the chassis number 91 FS in the vin. This car has has the chassis number 91 GS proving it is an 86 model year.
Second of all 1986 must have been a change over year because I know for a fact that this is the original speedometer and mileage for the car.
(this could be similair to how the 1985 944 and 1985.5 944 has different dashes and interiors)
07-13-2009, 04:10 PM
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No,'87 was the changeover model year. It is documented pretty well in just about anything you read. Maybe some '86's did have the newer speedo. Marc- just wondering what month was your '86 built?
07-13-2009, 04:22 PM
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Sorry mate, but that is the incorrect odometer for that model year. Your car has a 1987+ odometer in it. I would have thought someone else would wonder about that as well. On US cars from '83-'86 model year the correct speedometer has a circle between the outer MPH reading and the inner Kph reading. Not at all uncommon for them to be replaced at some point by the one you have without the circle, but to the best of my knowledge especially being that your car was built in '85 it should have the other speedometer in it. Other owners of similar vintages please chime in.
I think your info is off. The majority of 1986 speedos I've seen do not have the ring. A quick look on eBay currently shows 7 with out the ring on the speedo and only 1 with a ring.
This is important as a large part of the OP asking price is tied to the low millage/condition of his father's car and to say the speedo is not original has the obvious affect of questioning his credibility.
If I'm not mistaken, there is a date stamp on the back of the speedo that can verify its originality if a buyer has any doubts.
Great looking car by the way, hope the best to both the seller and the future buyer.
07-13-2009, 04:23 PM
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Just to clarify, I am not just going by books and will concede that about 50% of cars you see be on ebay or elseware have the newer style speedo. It's just one of those things to consider when looking. The lower the claimed miles the harder you look thats all.
07-13-2009, 04:30 PM
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I think you are right about the date stamp. I am certain that 1987 model year was the change for "ringless" speedos for North America. If you look at virtually any '83-'86 cars on offer currently you will still see 50% + with the updated unit. This doesn't even get into the '80-'82 cars that ALL stopped at 85 MPH which a lot of people forget about but was US law at the time. For 1983 we got 'regular' 160 MPH dual scale speedometers that I think went into production for UK cars with the '81 or '82 Model Year.
07-13-2009, 04:46 PM
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I do agree with you that a buyer should take the necessary steps to verify the miles and condition of any car purchase.
07-13-2009, 05:26 PM
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didn't we go through all this about a year ago ... we accused some poor guy of replacing the speedo with the " experts " believing they new it was wrong because of the ring , or lacjk of . and it turned out it was in fact the original speedo ?
bottom line is I think there is too much doubt to really use the "ringed " odometer to tell if is original .
bottom line is I think there is too much doubt to really use the "ringed " odometer to tell if is original .
07-13-2009, 07:53 PM
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First of all the VIN number of the car proves that this is a 1986 model year that was built on 12-85.
85 model years have the chassis number 91 FS in the vin. This car has has the chassis number 91 GS proving it is an 86 model year.
Second of all 1986 must have been a change over year because I know for a fact that this is the original speedometer and mileage for the car.
(this could be similair to how the 1985 944 and 1985.5 944 has different dashes and interiors)
85 model years have the chassis number 91 FS in the vin. This car has has the chassis number 91 GS proving it is an 86 model year.
Second of all 1986 must have been a change over year because I know for a fact that this is the original speedometer and mileage for the car.
(this could be similair to how the 1985 944 and 1985.5 944 has different dashes and interiors)
My car is an 86 911 Targa manufactured in 12-85, the same date as the car in the OP. My speedo matches...
Here's my speedo and vin tag.
07-13-2009, 08:29 PM
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We saw this a a few times on 928 evolution when we saw cars that had features "they shouldn't have".