DIY: Carrera Engine Fuel Line Replacement
04-10-2009, 04:07 PM
#31
Team Owner
Not to get waaaaaaaaayy off into the weeds but i think there are lots of quality manufacturers that can make some quality stuff. Thinking that if it is not Porsche it is no good is either narrow minded or quoted by the non informed. Following the Porsche only Mantra is a little bit of idol worship not based in common sense.
Of course your not gonna put chineese fuel lines in but i sure would put one in designed by a company who puts aircraft fuel lines in for example.
so lets stop talking Porsche only nonsense and stop draging threads in that have nothing to do with this
rant over .. carry on all ..
Of course your not gonna put chineese fuel lines in but i sure would put one in designed by a company who puts aircraft fuel lines in for example.
so lets stop talking Porsche only nonsense and stop draging threads in that have nothing to do with this
rant over .. carry on all ..
04-10-2009, 04:39 PM
#32
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Not to get waaaaaaaaayy off into the weeds but i think there are lots of quality manufacturers that can make some quality stuff. Thinking that if it is not Porsche it is no good is either narrow minded or quoted by the non informed. Following the Porsche only Mantra is a little bit of idol worship not based in common sense.
Of course your not gonna put chineese fuel lines in but i sure would put one in designed by a company who puts aircraft fuel lines in for example.
so lets stop talking Porsche only nonsense and stop draging threads in that have nothing to do with this
rant over .. carry on all ..
Of course your not gonna put chineese fuel lines in but i sure would put one in designed by a company who puts aircraft fuel lines in for example.
so lets stop talking Porsche only nonsense and stop draging threads in that have nothing to do with this
rant over .. carry on all ..
04-12-2009, 12:16 PM
#33
Burning Brakes
Since ian has me on ignore and some of the guys with more class would rather not cause any more fuss I'll take this opportunity to stop biting my tongue.
Remember the time when a fellow rennlister had a DE the following day and his throttle kept acting up. He was headed into a DE knowing his throttle linkage could kill him and others. One of our other fellow rennlisters said it will be ok, don't worry, just give yourself a little extra stopping room....Remember that?
This is kinda like that. You can increase the number of potential fail points in your fuel line by 4 fold and save yourself a couple hundred bucks or you could spring for the factory parts and trust decades of German engineering.
If it's a track only car then fine, cut and paste all you want, but if you are going to put that car on the road next to my kids I have a right to speak up. Some may even say I have a responsibility to speak up.
Remember the time when a fellow rennlister had a DE the following day and his throttle kept acting up. He was headed into a DE knowing his throttle linkage could kill him and others. One of our other fellow rennlisters said it will be ok, don't worry, just give yourself a little extra stopping room....Remember that?
This is kinda like that. You can increase the number of potential fail points in your fuel line by 4 fold and save yourself a couple hundred bucks or you could spring for the factory parts and trust decades of German engineering.
If it's a track only car then fine, cut and paste all you want, but if you are going to put that car on the road next to my kids I have a right to speak up. Some may even say I have a responsibility to speak up.
04-12-2009, 12:30 PM
#34
Team Owner
I'm not sure where all this is going, good or bad but.... to say replacing the oem fuel line with a quality steel braid line is 'irresponsible' is not right. It's common practice to replace rubber brake lines with steel braid and nobody speaks out about that...... I made my own fuel line simialr to the attached procedure a couple years ago and I feel it is superior to the oem. That said the oem lasted 22 years..... It's one thing if somebody was suggesting the replace with rubber lines and hose clamps...... but please. Every commercial and military aircraft is relying on the same spec lines as have been suggested here and I dare say there is slightly more at stake there......
04-12-2009, 03:36 PM
#35
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Appearance and function are two different things. I've serviced concours cars that are in such poor mechanical condition that they're not suitable for a long drive. But they sure are pretty.
04-15-2009, 01:55 PM
#37
Racer
I pulled the intake manifold as one piece to replace all those hoses. It was a PIA but do-able. It's a great time to replace the upper oil thermostat o-ring and replace the sound pad without having to drop the engine. Once I replaced the manifold gaskets and retightened and had the CO re-set, it did more to give the car a kick in the pants than anything. Felt like 15 more horsepower, and no more fears of engine fires.
04-15-2009, 02:06 PM
#38
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Wow, that is one clean engine. Just thinking it through myself, I probably would have picked it apart and taken things out in pieces, but your way looks much easier. Very nice, thanks for posting that!
04-15-2009, 02:22 PM
#39
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I pulled the intake manifold as one piece to replace all those hoses. It was a PIA but do-able. It's a great time to replace the upper oil thermostat o-ring and replace the sound pad without having to drop the engine. Once I replaced the manifold gaskets and retightened and had the CO re-set, it did more to give the car a kick in the pants than anything. Felt like 15 more horsepower, and no more fears of engine fires.
By the way - I know that you sold your car, but nice job!
04-16-2009, 06:52 PM
#40
Addict
I'm not sure where all this is going, good or bad but.... to say replacing the oem fuel line with a quality steel braid line is 'irresponsible' is not right. It's common practice to replace rubber brake lines with steel braid and nobody speaks out about that...... I made my own fuel line simialr to the attached procedure a couple years ago and I feel it is superior to the oem. That said the oem lasted 22 years..... It's one thing if somebody was suggesting the replace with rubber lines and hose clamps...... but please. Every commercial and military aircraft is relying on the same spec lines as have been suggested here and I dare say there is slightly more at stake there......
04-19-2009, 04:54 AM
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Ah the ignorance of thinking some oem fuel line, any oem hose for that matter, would last longer than what's out there.
Don't be F ing ignorant.
Do you know what kind of hose and screw on fittings we use to dive to 900 feet in the gulf?
Don't be silly.
Don't be F ing ignorant.
Do you know what kind of hose and screw on fittings we use to dive to 900 feet in the gulf?
Don't be silly.
04-19-2009, 02:58 PM
#43
Team Owner
To suggest that if something is not OE it is crap without doing any type of evaluation shows poor analytical skills and even poorer judgement.
But that said if you admitedly have no engineering or analytic skills at all, just buy OE to be safe and make no comment about substitutes as you are not qualified to do so .
But that said if you admitedly have no engineering or analytic skills at all, just buy OE to be safe and make no comment about substitutes as you are not qualified to do so .
04-19-2009, 05:08 PM
#44
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I don't want to see the discussion in this thread degenerate into personal attacks.
I suggest, as a better alternative, is to post specific alternative approaches with detailed info and parts # or manufacturers if that info is available.
That way, your alternative fuel line can be replicated by someone else looking for an alternative, and evaluated for soundness if need be.
Everyone, play nice.
I suggest, as a better alternative, is to post specific alternative approaches with detailed info and parts # or manufacturers if that info is available.
That way, your alternative fuel line can be replicated by someone else looking for an alternative, and evaluated for soundness if need be.
Everyone, play nice.
04-19-2009, 05:18 PM
#45
It is very true that as a professional, liability comes into play. In such a case, I would expect that OEM would be used.
In my life, I have seen two 911s on the side of the road, pretending to be charcoal grills. It is a sad sight. Don't let this happen to you. Whatever type of replacement line you use, use it, and do a good job.
It doesn't cost - it saves.
In my life, I have seen two 911s on the side of the road, pretending to be charcoal grills. It is a sad sight. Don't let this happen to you. Whatever type of replacement line you use, use it, and do a good job.
It doesn't cost - it saves.