How do you guys feel about a repaint?
11-30-2008, 04:19 PM
#3
Three Wheelin'
No, thanks.
Seriously, there are are two schools of thought on this. One is: no matter how spectacular a job you pay for, it's no longer original and, as the saying goes, "you can never buy back originality". This has an impact if you sell, at the very least you wil have to explain why you repainted, and some convincing before-and-after documentation may be necessary. The other school of thought is: a premium job makes the car look sparkling new, and thus enhances the value. There are customers for each notion, and I honestly don't know which group is larger. I'm in the former, as I believe that even if the car is stripped down and bead-blasted (an outrageously expensive proposition), no shop can paint like the factory paints, so intrinsic value is diminished. I would particularly avoid partial repaints (bumpers excluded, to me those are "wear items"). I think that rock chips are part of normal patina; potential color mismatch of repainted areas is not.
If you plan on keeping it forever and aren't bothered by these considerations, then I'd say go for it.
ps
"Color change" paint jobs are friggin' ridiculous, IMO. Can't be done right. If you want a totally different color car, go find that one and buy it. Again, IMO.
Seriously, there are are two schools of thought on this. One is: no matter how spectacular a job you pay for, it's no longer original and, as the saying goes, "you can never buy back originality". This has an impact if you sell, at the very least you wil have to explain why you repainted, and some convincing before-and-after documentation may be necessary. The other school of thought is: a premium job makes the car look sparkling new, and thus enhances the value. There are customers for each notion, and I honestly don't know which group is larger. I'm in the former, as I believe that even if the car is stripped down and bead-blasted (an outrageously expensive proposition), no shop can paint like the factory paints, so intrinsic value is diminished. I would particularly avoid partial repaints (bumpers excluded, to me those are "wear items"). I think that rock chips are part of normal patina; potential color mismatch of repainted areas is not.
If you plan on keeping it forever and aren't bothered by these considerations, then I'd say go for it.
ps
"Color change" paint jobs are friggin' ridiculous, IMO. Can't be done right. If you want a totally different color car, go find that one and buy it. Again, IMO.
11-30-2008, 04:52 PM
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How about giving us some details. Are you talking about respraying the same color because your existing paint is damaged? Or is the paint fine and you just want a color change?
If your car NEEDS a repaint, then doing so will increase its value IF it is a quality job and IF it is the original, factory-delivered color.
If the paint is good and can be brought back by polishing, then any painting will devalue the car, regardless of color change or not.
If your car NEEDS a repaint, then doing so will increase its value IF it is a quality job and IF it is the original, factory-delivered color.
If the paint is good and can be brought back by polishing, then any painting will devalue the car, regardless of color change or not.
11-30-2008, 05:27 PM
#6
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Not clear on the question: a repaint on your car or a repaint on a car you are considering purchasing?
If the former, then do what you want to make yourself happy. Plan on spending a pretty penny to get it done right, and you will be a very happy 911 owner. Do it on the cheap and everyone will know it
But my feeling on questions like this is there is no point in keeping a car "original" if that means "original" detracts from the car's beauty or one's pleasure in owning it.
If the latter, then don't buy unless the owner provides meticulous records (photos, a plus) of who performed what work. Done right, this can be a real plus. Done poorly, and the inherent value takes an irreparable hit.
Edward
If the former, then do what you want to make yourself happy. Plan on spending a pretty penny to get it done right, and you will be a very happy 911 owner. Do it on the cheap and everyone will know it
But my feeling on questions like this is there is no point in keeping a car "original" if that means "original" detracts from the car's beauty or one's pleasure in owning it.If the latter, then don't buy unless the owner provides meticulous records (photos, a plus) of who performed what work. Done right, this can be a real plus. Done poorly, and the inherent value takes an irreparable hit.
Edward
11-30-2008, 05:37 PM
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We need to face up to the fact that many of these cars are getting....old. It may very well be time for a repaint. There's Early Schieb, and then there is everyone else. Years ago i had to repaint my car when it was only a year old. i was in Europe and I took that nearly brand new 911S back to the factory. They repainted it for DM 5,000. Even THEY didn't do that great a job. (1978 time frame).
If you're going to repaint it you need to pull ALL the rubber gaskets from the widow openings and do quitte a bit of dismantling if you want it right. That means taking off the bumpers, and the door handles, and anything where you don't want a tape line. The biggest problem I see with today's paint shops is crappy prep. They don't rough up the current paint suitably to take the new well, and then it will peel down the road.
A properly prepped and repainted car is certainly worth more than an original but only if it is apparent that you took the extra pains to do it right. There is nothing inexpensive about a repaint. Don't even THINK about another color. If you're handy with tools and know these cars you can save a fortune but doing most of the dismantling yourself. This is what I have done in the past with some cars. You may find that you know more about how these things go together (and come apart) than the body shop.
When repainting attempt to leave as much of the original paint on as you can,--but it must be roughed up to get the new to stick. Taking it down to bare metal is only when it has to be done,--to deal with rust, etc. I wouldn't even take it to the primer,--try to disturb as little as possible.
Document it all. The next owner may want to see what pains you went to.
If you're going to repaint it you need to pull ALL the rubber gaskets from the widow openings and do quitte a bit of dismantling if you want it right. That means taking off the bumpers, and the door handles, and anything where you don't want a tape line. The biggest problem I see with today's paint shops is crappy prep. They don't rough up the current paint suitably to take the new well, and then it will peel down the road.
A properly prepped and repainted car is certainly worth more than an original but only if it is apparent that you took the extra pains to do it right. There is nothing inexpensive about a repaint. Don't even THINK about another color. If you're handy with tools and know these cars you can save a fortune but doing most of the dismantling yourself. This is what I have done in the past with some cars. You may find that you know more about how these things go together (and come apart) than the body shop.
When repainting attempt to leave as much of the original paint on as you can,--but it must be roughed up to get the new to stick. Taking it down to bare metal is only when it has to be done,--to deal with rust, etc. I wouldn't even take it to the primer,--try to disturb as little as possible.
Document it all. The next owner may want to see what pains you went to.
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11-30-2008, 10:26 PM
#9
Team Owner
I don't think there is anything wrong with javing a car repainted that is aproaching 30 years old. Not a big deal at all. especially if you are just feathering in the front end for paint chips. It's not the repaint that wories people, but more of the WHY you repainted it.
12-01-2008, 12:40 AM
#10
Three Wheelin'
If a car of this vintage needs a repaint, repaint it. That is, unless you have a collecter version of the car, in which case it probably has been so well taken care of that it does not need a repaint.
12-01-2008, 01:05 AM
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If you go with the theory that, "you can never buy back originality" then you should never replace a bad part with new one or fix a motor that is not running right. And, we all know that is not possible. If the car needs to be painted, paint it. Most quality shops do a better job than the factory did 20-30 years ago because the paint technology is better. But, don't change the color. JMO.
12-01-2008, 04:28 AM
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If you go with the theory that, "you can never buy back originality" then you should never replace a bad part with new one or fix a motor that is not running right. And, we all know that is not possible. If the car needs to be painted, paint it. Most quality shops do a better job than the factory did 20-30 years ago because the paint technology is better. But, don't change the color. JMO.
12-01-2008, 11:56 AM
#14
Three Wheelin'
My observation has been that people whose cars have been repainted, are okay with repaints. Those whose cars haven't been repainted or don't need it, aren't in favor of it. It just all depends on your perspective.
12-01-2008, 01:07 PM
#15
The fact is, I have already bought the car. A person who had known the car and the previously owner told me that the previously owner did the paint job because of some minor details (stone cihps). Most people would probably find this unnessecary, but the previously owner had a lot of money and wanted the car to be 110 % perfect.
Thanks, great thoughts you have on the subject. I appreciate it a lot.
Exactly.
Until now I wasn't sure how to feel about the repaint, but it was great to hear your thoughts on it.
The paintjob really looks great, no change in colour, still the original. But my biggest concern is actaully how the car has been assembled afterwards - the phrase "you can't buy back originality" is very correct.
No, thanks.
Seriously, there are are two schools of thought on this. One is: no matter how spectacular a job you pay for, it's no longer original and, as the saying goes, "you can never buy back originality". This has an impact if you sell, at the very least you wil have to explain why you repainted, and some convincing before-and-after documentation may be necessary. The other school of thought is: a premium job makes the car look sparkling new, and thus enhances the value. There are customers for each notion, and I honestly don't know which group is larger. I'm in the former, as I believe that even if the car is stripped down and bead-blasted (an outrageously expensive proposition), no shop can paint like the factory paints, so intrinsic value is diminished. I would particularly avoid partial repaints (bumpers excluded, to me those are "wear items"). I think that rock chips are part of normal patina; potential color mismatch of repainted areas is not.
If you plan on keeping it forever and aren't bothered by these considerations, then I'd say go for it.
ps
"Color change" paint jobs are friggin' ridiculous, IMO. Can't be done right. If you want a totally different color car, go find that one and buy it. Again, IMO.
Seriously, there are are two schools of thought on this. One is: no matter how spectacular a job you pay for, it's no longer original and, as the saying goes, "you can never buy back originality". This has an impact if you sell, at the very least you wil have to explain why you repainted, and some convincing before-and-after documentation may be necessary. The other school of thought is: a premium job makes the car look sparkling new, and thus enhances the value. There are customers for each notion, and I honestly don't know which group is larger. I'm in the former, as I believe that even if the car is stripped down and bead-blasted (an outrageously expensive proposition), no shop can paint like the factory paints, so intrinsic value is diminished. I would particularly avoid partial repaints (bumpers excluded, to me those are "wear items"). I think that rock chips are part of normal patina; potential color mismatch of repainted areas is not.
If you plan on keeping it forever and aren't bothered by these considerations, then I'd say go for it.
ps
"Color change" paint jobs are friggin' ridiculous, IMO. Can't be done right. If you want a totally different color car, go find that one and buy it. Again, IMO.
Exactly.
Until now I wasn't sure how to feel about the repaint, but it was great to hear your thoughts on it.
The paintjob really looks great, no change in colour, still the original. But my biggest concern is actaully how the car has been assembled afterwards - the phrase "you can't buy back originality" is very correct.
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