martinr81

I know this subject has come up many times on the Forum, but I would appreciate advice on wheels for DE. I have an '88 Carrera Coupe with stock everything (basically) except for turbo tie-rods and a strut brace. I attend about 2 DE's per year and am definitely still in the novice stage.

My plan was to buy another set of 16x6/7 Fuchs and mount some track-appropriate tires.

Thanks for the assist!

...... Rick
'88 Carrera Coupe

84_Carrera

While the Fuchs are getting older, they're still incredibly light and (reasonably) cheap. I picked up some good condition 16x6 / 7 for $600 shipped cross-country a couple of years ago. Make sure they're true & no cracking / repairs. Fake Fuchs you will have a problem with P-car specific sanctioning / hosting bodies.

I found some Team Dynamics wheels that were pretty inexpensive in 17x7 / 17x8 before, in the ~16 / 18lb range. This was for another car, but Don Kane, the VP there at the time, was looking at getting me some 5x130s for the 911 at one point. I ran the ProRace 1's at Road Atlanta a few years ago with the rains on them with no problems.

http://www.rimstock.co.uk/rimstockuk...ame=pro race 1

Cost on these at the time were ~$700 / set delivered IIRC.

There are certainly newer tires, but I always liked the Kumho Victoracers / V700's for more advanced DE time. Remember it's a progressive thing... yes, with track-specific tires you get track-level grip, but you're also going faster when you get into trouble then. Be sure you're on the top of the street-tire level experience before moving into track-tire level speeds. Or, if you go there ahead of the curve, be sure you're conscious of the noticeable difference between street & track tires.

Good luck, be careful!

sjanes

+1. I try to keep students on street tires until they can generate and manage moderate slip angles so they can get used what it feels like when the car starts to approach it's grip limit and slide. Having said that, if you do intend on moving to R compounds, I've found that the Kumho Victoracer give excellent feedback, are easy to put heat into, and are not as sensitive to small pressure changes as some of the faster tires. If you plan on using 16" wheels, the Toyo RA-1 is another excellent tire.

martinr81

Fred, sjanes,

Thanks for the excellent advice. I understand the comment about the step to track tires and intend to move up the performance ladder very carefully. Our local club emphasizes the same cautionary message.

Will let you know how things progress. Again, much appreciated. It is a pleasure being a part of the Rennlist community.

.... Rick

martinr81

Fred,
One follow-up regarding the ProRace 1's.... would the offsets be OK for the '88 911 without spacers, etc?
Thanks again.... Rick

Ed Hughes

Try here for some track wheel options, they're 911 guys....

Also, it is hard to go wrong with a set of good BBS 3 pc wheels, keep your eyes on ebay or Craigslist.

84_Carrera

Rick, I think you'd need to find out if TD/USA would be able to do the wheels in a 5x130 & maybe a... +15mm offset for the 8" rears?? The fronts would be... maybe +25/+30mm ??? for a 7" front perhaps?

I see they also offer a 17x9 variant of the wheel too, which would be amazing doing 17x7 & 17x9. I know the 7's were 15.75 # on my 17x7's, and came in around 17-18 # for the 8's when they were redesigned from the Pro Race 1 to the Pro Race "1.2".

Be sure to double check the offsets, I ALWAYS seem to screw those up.

g-50cab

What ed said - the BBS wheels are light, cheap, and made to fit. Even bigger score if you can find a set of a 1980's 930 turbo. I have a set of 8's and 9's with Toyo RA'1's that are awesome.

911S3.6

You can run 7.5x17 front with 225 series tires and 9x17 with 255 series tires with no problems.
Keep in mind unsprung weight-it DOES make a big difference in how the car feels/handles.

Fuchs are still some of the lightest wheels out there, Fikse and BBS are also.
Just stay with a forged wheel not a cast one. The cup wheels etc you see advertised are cast aluminum and weigh up to 26 lbs each for rears compared to 18-19 lbs for Fikses.
(unless if course you find the original magnesium cups wheels off the 964 RS, those are light, and around $ 10,000.00!!!

BlackPearl

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