murrayg

Hi all,

This is my first post on a 911 forum, as I’m a 944 owner. WAIT…Don’t hang up!! I’m looking for a new project, an early 911. I looked at a “70 911T” project today. Complete car, solid with no rust, but completely apart and not alot of money. However, I don’t think it’s a 70 T. Here goes some numbers: Car S/N 118008XX, Motor 6192330, Transmission 911/01 7118537. I see this as a 68 911S, right?? What is the motor and trans? I was looking for a “longer” car, so initially I wasn’t interested in a 68…..but now I see it’s an S. How valuable / rare is a 68 911S. What to do??!!

Thanks,
Gord.

JV911

welcome

yep the serial number is for a 68 S (1180001 - 11801267)

3rd digit "8" = 1968
4th digit "0" = S

engine seems to be a 69T and 5 speed tranny from a 1970

VERY!

this one is a bit of a mongeral but is definately worth consideration. value wont be as high as something with "matching numbers"

Allen70SSan Diego

Gord:

My opinion is that any Early "S" in decent condition is very desirable.

The following information is from DR. B Johnson's " --911 & 912 Porsche, A Guide to Authenticity".

Chassis Serial # 11 800 XXX = 1968 911S Coupe
Transmission Type 1968 911S = 901/02 (5 Speed), 906/01 = Sportomatic
1968 911S Carburetors = Weber
Engine Serial # = 1968 911S = 4 080 XXX
(Engine 619 0001 thru 2455 = 1969 911T) Too Bad, makes the numbers matching question moot.

Al

murrayg

Well, this is looking very interesting. The owner is still convinced it’s a 1970 T, but he bought it like this (apart). I’m not going out of my way to convince him anything different. How big a deal is the mismatched motor and trans. Are 2.0L “S” engines impossible (read $$$$) to find. Also, since the # don’t match, then what would be the best choose for an engine, since the T engine is considerably down in power. Finally, any idea how many 68 911S were built and how many were exported to North America. This is getting fun! Thanks again.

Gord.

Peter Zimmermann

Gord: Total 911 production for MY 68 was slightly more that 9,000 cars (I don't know how many were Ss). Very few S models were shipped to North America - the car did not meet emission standards in the USA, so "none" were brought to the US (we only got 911/911L models). The closest engine true to a '68S would be a '67S, but many of those engines/parts have been consumed by racers competing in VARA, so any early 2.0 S will certainly be pricey. A decent alternate engine would be a '68 USA 911/911L engine, which was also fitted with Weber carbs, and produced 130 DIN hp, vs the 160 DIN hp of the S. The '68T was an RoW car only, not sold in the US.

If you pm me I can give you the name and number of a friend who might have a complete early aluminum housing 5-speed. I don't know the details, and would prefer that you deal directly with him.

Conekilr

We seem to have "opposite" cars...I have a 1970 T with a 68 2.0 S engine and we're both in Canada...

ron_dargenio

That's a damned good find! Best of luck with it!

John D.

Yep.. And I can say that, as Jen and I have a '68 911/L sitting in our garage... I love everything about that car (it is EXCEPTIONAL!!) - 'cept, well - tuning those danged Weber carbs....



Best to you Pete, and all - for a wonderful 2008!

John

murrayg

Thanks to everyone for helping me here.

First:
Conekilr, they sure are opposite alright. Yours is together, running and beautiful, this one…….not so much!! But do I sense an engine trade here?? I’ll pay shipping, Haha!

OK, more questions as I haven’t yet purchased this. Oh my, the early 911 world is SO different from the 944 world I know (Daaa!). This car is ratty, largely apart, but complete, and it appears solid. Lots of surface rust on parts, but “shell” looks solid. One advantage of it being all apart is that it’s easy to examine. Considering it’s an S, what should one pay for a project like this? Any feel for the value of a reasonable clean, # mismatching 68 911S?? Also, would resale of this car be limited to Canada, since 68S’s weren’t allowed in the U.S. (Thanks for this John!). I’m moving very slowly, but in the right direction, at least.

Thanks again,
Gord.

racer

A picture would help peg value a bit better. The folks on the "early S" registry might know better as well. Are you looking for a "investment with financial guarantees" or a "car"? Given the prsent described condition, this is a "car" or a project that may not see financial gain. A fully restored, numbers matching example is an "investment".

Conekilr

Gord no engine swap at this time....Maybe I'd want your project to go with my engine since I have the most difficult part needed...

Pictures would help with valueing what you have...

ked

I think I'd be outta my f'ing mind to start into 911s by reconstructing a basket-case '68... on the other hand... go for it...

theiceman

just to give you a reference point there is a 69 T Targa is for sale around the corner for about 17G.it has S brakes an S engine and an S suspension apparently. It is an obvious respray but it looks pretty solid, the interior and Targa roof are quite rough.

Jay Gratton

John,
Is Jen's '68 L For Sale yet? I love that car!