1st P Car - On the right train of thought?
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I love the look/lines of the coupe. Had considered the Targa and if the Coupe will be too unbearable in the summer heat.
Also, do golf clubs fit anywhere (passenger seat?) in a coupe or targa?
2) Mileage. You mention a very specific mileage range, one that is often associated with the point where the car may or may not need a top end rebuild. A higher mileage car that has had it's rebuild done, and other maintenance issues, will always be better than a lower mileage car that has had maintenance deferred or that has maintenance items about to pop up around the corner.
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All I was saying was don't put too much faith in mileage.
Just start searching for all sorts of cars on places like craigslist, autotrader.com, cars.com I would stay away from ebay because apparently it isn't the easiest to arrange a PPI on the auction system.
Call people up, ask them about their cars, what has been done to it, why are they selling it.....etc. Even if you are no interested in the colour/price/mielage. It will start to give you a good feel for what is a good deal and what is not.
Just start searching for all sorts of cars on places like craigslist, autotrader.com, cars.com I would stay away from ebay because apparently it isn't the easiest to arrange a PPI on the auction system.
Call people up, ask them about their cars, what has been done to it, why are they selling it.....etc. Even if you are no interested in the colour/price/mielage. It will start to give you a good feel for what is a good deal and what is not.
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Not very car needs a top end rebuild...I've seen cars with 100k that never had a top end rebuild and run great, and others at 50k that need complete rebuilds.. That's why a PPI is important. It's also great to have maintenance records.
My 930 is a four speed and my 911 is a G50, I like both each has it's own feel, but you get used to them and they both are fun to drive... Don't ignore a 915 trans.
You might also look to the PCA for advise and members that at selling cars...
Good luck...
My 930 is a four speed and my 911 is a G50, I like both each has it's own feel, but you get used to them and they both are fun to drive... Don't ignore a 915 trans.
You might also look to the PCA for advise and members that at selling cars...
Good luck...
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Even in the cars with a good compressor, be advised that the cockpit blower is another issue. Mine is going bad and I've heard it's not uncommon. I'm actually considering removing the AC to reduce weight anyways. I've got a Cabriolet so I never use it.
I understand your love of the lines of a Coupe. I had the same feeling. But everytime I put the topdown in my car and drive with the other roadsters and cabriolets.... I don't miss those "lines" at all !
On the plus side... these cars put out more than enough heat! You can drive it in Indy in the winter and you will have no problem.
Ideally, I would like a car that has already had the top end overhaul, or that the PPI comes back that a top end overhaul can be put off until next winter. Does that seem realistic? That was how I envisioned my purchase price b/w $17-19k - a car that has 80k miles, can be driven for a summer, and then will need an overhaul next winter...On base/Off base?
Somehow, I don't think you can assume that a car will need a rebuild at any given mileage. There are 911 engines with 200K miles that have never had work done. Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part?
When I was searching for my 911, I found quite a few in your area. I test drove a great 89 C4 there. And my friend bought a C4 in Indy. Seems like you're in a good place to find one.
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+1 ....great advice DARISC,
kravdog,
I was told to look at 10 before you buy 1....good way to get an education. You can accelerate that by hooking up with someone in your area who knows the 3.2 cars really well. Which doesn't necessarily mean someone who happens to own one. $10 says there is an Indy PCA'er willing to help you. Find the 3.2 wizard in the local club and befriend him (or her!).
You'll have a decent amount of cars to choose from as you're willing to travel a bit. 3.2 cars are relatively common and don't be surprised to see a wide range of condition.
Heck, i just went through Indy last summer to get mine in Illinois. Here's my buddy (yep...3.2 wizard) next to my car ('83 SC 3.0) at some gas station in Indy on the way back home...
Enjoy the hunt!
Mike
kravdog,
I was told to look at 10 before you buy 1....good way to get an education. You can accelerate that by hooking up with someone in your area who knows the 3.2 cars really well. Which doesn't necessarily mean someone who happens to own one. $10 says there is an Indy PCA'er willing to help you. Find the 3.2 wizard in the local club and befriend him (or her!).
You'll have a decent amount of cars to choose from as you're willing to travel a bit. 3.2 cars are relatively common and don't be surprised to see a wide range of condition.
Heck, i just went through Indy last summer to get mine in Illinois. Here's my buddy (yep...3.2 wizard) next to my car ('83 SC 3.0) at some gas station in Indy on the way back home...
Enjoy the hunt!
Mike
Last edited by Mike S.; 12-28-2009 at 09:59 PM.
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911 Vet:
I also live in the Cleveland area and wonder who you recommend for a
PPI ? I'm interested in a 78-84' coupe or 83'-85' Cabriolet if you happen
to know of any available. Thanks for your help!
Mark
P.S.: Mike : That's a beautiful 911! What's the background on it because
it looks brand new!
I also live in the Cleveland area and wonder who you recommend for a
PPI ? I'm interested in a 78-84' coupe or 83'-85' Cabriolet if you happen
to know of any available. Thanks for your help!
Mark
P.S.: Mike : That's a beautiful 911! What's the background on it because
it looks brand new!
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If you want good AC, then you should really look at getting a 964 instead. The 3.2's usually only have great AC if the system has been rebuilt ($2,000), or if the system has been upgraded ($3,000).
For those who have 3.2's that the AC actually works - congratulations, you are the lucky few
For those who have 3.2's that the AC actually works - congratulations, you are the lucky few
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911 Vet:
I also live in the Cleveland area and wonder who you recommend for a
PPI ? I'm interested in a 78-84' coupe or 83'-85' Cabriolet if you happen
to know of any available. Thanks for your help!
Mark
P.S.: Mike : That's a beautiful 911! What's the background on it because
it looks brand new!
I also live in the Cleveland area and wonder who you recommend for a
PPI ? I'm interested in a 78-84' coupe or 83'-85' Cabriolet if you happen
to know of any available. Thanks for your help!
Mark
P.S.: Mike : That's a beautiful 911! What's the background on it because
it looks brand new!
Mike and Neri: Oh wow, those are beauties!
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I will also encourage you to consider a 964 if you want improved environmental controls and good AC. The 964s may have more complicated systems and therefore more potential for failures, but they are a more modern car for sure.
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OhioMark,
If I was in Cleveland, I'd visit Steinel's (Twinsburg) to see if they're interested and the right a place to for 3.2 911 PPI. Or at least get a reference from them if they're not big into 911's. I know they do a lot of race prepped 944/951's.
Thanks for the compliments. I was quite blessed to find this car. After months and months and months of looking, I came across it in the PCA.org classifieds last Memorial Day almost immediately after it was posted. Enthusiast owned, complete records, meticulously maintained 34K car. Everyone who owned this car was a nut case. I continue the tradition.
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Best of luck to you in your search.
Mike
P.S. I know of a white 3.2 targa w/ black interior that one of our club members is selling to finance a "special" 356 he bought in early November. I don't know if its a 915 or G50. It is a low milage car IIRC...around 50K miles. I've seen it in person several months ago at a club tech event and it looked very nice. The owner is an hands-on enthusiast and a nice fellow. I have no idea of the price or even if it's still available, but I'll inquire and get you contact info if either of you (OhioMark or kravdog) are interested in this type of body style (targa).
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Not pushing the 964 issue, but if you need to try one, let me know. Mine never goes on hibernation, so can always be driven if you are in the Bloomington area.
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The car has to be a lot of fun out on 46 towards Brown County & 446 going out to the cuaseway!