Kevin in Scottsdale

What products would you recommend for removal? After that I'll be waxing for the first time. Again, what suggestions would you have for black. I've read some good info on Klasse. How easy is it to use? I'm not thrilled with the idea of using a buffer, as I'm afraid of damaging the paint and scuffing the top.

hoffman912

dont use a buffer.... thats what causes swirl marks.

gr8fl4porsche

I respectfully disagree with the statement that buffers cause swirl marks. Buffers are used to get rid of swirls. Washing and improper cleaning techniques caused the marks. Tiny particles in the washing rags, sponges, wax applicators,etc scratch the car. The only good way to remove these marks is with a buffer and various compounds.

Do a search on the Porter Cable buffer - can't remember the model number. It is exactly what you are looking for. It is small, variable speed and will not burn your paint. Dare I say almost fool proof. I cuts very slowly and rewards you with spectacular results. I use a mixture of compounds - I like 3M's line of Finesse It and Perfect It. Start with very fine compounds and if that doesn't polish it enough you can try different pads and more course compounds. The fine swirl marks should come out by using the foam pads with a very fine grit compound. Scratches are addressed with more aggressive compounds and more coarse pads.
Practice on your wifes car.

adsc4s

Try the Klasse products. First the all in one to remove the swirls and then the sealant. Then top it off with a nice wax, I use Blitz and your car will look spectacular. I do it all by hand but a low speed buffer will help, no doubt.

Bob S

I was in the same situation about two years ago.. I bought a Porter Cable Random Oribital buffer and used machine polish bought from Griot's ( very expersive) and the swirls disappeared.. Check the web for the buffer. I'll never hand polish again.

Good Luck

Luus

I've had great results with Klasse. Sometimes I find the glaze is a bit stubborn to remove but it helps if you use a slightly damp towel. I top the Klasse with a carnuba wax. I especially like Pinnacle Souveran and find it adds a lot of depth--Looks excellent on my white car, should be AWESOME on black. I do everything by hand.

You can find a lot of useful info about getting rid/minimizing swirl marks and the Porter Cable buffer on <a href="http://www.autopia.org/" target="_blank">http://www.autopia.org/</a>

Chuck Harmon

Griots has some outstanding products for Porsches.
I use some of their products, mainly their Best of Show was and Fine Hand Polish.I am not familiar with the Klasse but I have heard nothing but good things about the Pinnacle, I just cannot afford it.Griots and One Grand Blitz wax with the 3M Imperial Hand Glaze gives me the best results.
I might suggest with you being a newbie to avoid the buffer for now and use the Griots products.
The best trick for black is new 100% cotton towels for the removal of the polish and wax, be sure to change towels often when removing the wax and do not let the wax dry, put it on and take it right off one section at a time.Make sure your car is cool and out of the sun.I used to detail Porsches and really enjoy the end result.

acastell

I have had very good results with Zaino products. Not sure Zaino products can remove deep swirls the same way 3m/griots can, but the products in general are very good and easy to use. If you search the 993 board for 'Zaino', you should see some very good testimonials...

acastell

Well, when the 'search' button re appears, try searching....

By the way, what year is your new car?

Stuttgart951

I have owned two black Porsches... the paint at purchase on each was 95%, but I wanted 100% so....

I tried various products to remove the "sunlight swirl" and add depth to the and I got the best results with teh cheapest brand - Kit "Scratch Out" - you can probably find it at a Wal-Mart.

Its not a one time thing - but you apply it like a wax, and the difference will be noticable after the first use - after 3 or 4 uses (consecutive weekends) the paint will look factory fresh - deep, glossy, and BLACK!

RJT

My 74 911 was Black....my first and last black car! Black is beautiful when it's shiny and clean. The problem is that it shows dust in about an hour after you clean it.
I use the Porter Cable buffer. And by the way it is FOOLPROOF! It's not like the old buffers of yesteryear. I got perfect results the first time I used it. I too, am a user of Griot's Garage products (that's where the buffer came from). Their paint cleaning Clay, Speed Shine and Best of Show wax are the easiest to use products I have ever found. Easy and long lasting.
After you get your paint swirl free, it's easy to re-introduce swirls back into the paint if you are not careful, especially with Black. Pulling a car cover on and off is the worst offender. Using dirty rags to wash and dry will do it too. I have been using a California Car Duster for many years and found it picks up the dust between washes without leaving any scratches behind. I would suggest using only the wooden handle version. It has a baked in wax that lifts the dust instead of pushing it around.
Good luck!

MarkY

First, check out the following forum. You'll learn valuable information. <a href="http://www.autopia.org/forums/index.php" target="_blank">http://www.autopia.org/forums/index.php</a>

Next, buy yourself a Porter Cable Random Orbital buffer. You would have to TRY to hurt your paint using this machine. It's foolproof.

Third, while Klasse stuff is very good (I wouldn't use anything from Griot's, they're a ripoff), I'd pick up some 3M swirl mark remover and then put on a couple coats of Pinnacle Souveran.

Here is a picture of my 1988 Black Coupe after completing the above procedure.

<img src="http://www.owners-gallery.com/uploads/souveran4a339.jpg" alt=" - " />

Here is one from a distance.

<img src="http://www.owners-gallery.com/uploads/souveran1a339.jpg" alt=" - " />

bryantch

Here is a link that might also be helpful...some decent video, albeit infomercialish.

<a href="http://www.meguiars.com/clinics/clinics_template.cfm" target="_blank">http://www.meguiars.com/clinics/clinics_template.cfm</a>

Good Luck,

ian

Chuck Harmon

I have to defend Griots, for the money they are good products.Pinnacle is also very good but more expensive.I have won best of show at The Austin Texas Porsche Club Concours using Griots.

MarkY

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Chuck Harmon:
<strong>I have to defend Griots, for the money they are good products.Pinnacle is also very good but more expensive.I have won best of show at The Austin Texas Porsche Club Concours using Griots.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I didn't say Griot's products weren't any good. I said they're a ripoff. Do you realize that probably 98% of Griot's products are just other vendors products that are labeled and sold by Griots? Even the products they do sell that are under the OEM's name (the Porter Cable router for example) can be purchased elsewhere for a lot less money.

They do have a nice catalog though.