..87 carrera with wider body conversion, 88 engine.

I looked under my frnot right wheel weel many times to fnd the oil cooler as someone said but never can find it. Instead, I found there is an aluminum color thing look like a cooler closed to the right rear tire, toward the engine. Actually it is right next to the engine with oil hose come to it. Is my oil cooler got recolcated?
On the right front wheel well, I still see 2 hoses come up, along the wheel well on top, and come down to behind the headlight and connect together by a long bend metal pipe shapping with the wheel well.
So I am thinking of adding a small oil cooler there connect to the hoses there already.
Now my question is, if I already have a cooler in the rear, will it benefit me if I add another one at the stock location (front right wheel well)?

 

Is this a joke?..Cooler up front behind the grill, not bad for cool air, when moving forward, follow hoses to oil reservoir, under right rear fender, and you know where they go,..oh yeah, the right front fender warms up also, you can imagine why,.. Hey, honest question, bravo!!

 

It sounds like you have the older-style "trombone" oil cooler (or sometimes called the "paperclip" because of it's shape), which amounts to little more than a brass-tube heat sink. While the small oil cooler you've identified at the engine is stock on all cars, I had *thought* all 87-89 carreras had a real finned oil cooler in the front fender as stock equipment (someone please correct me on this). You can't miss the cooler as it is about 8"x15", has fins for exit air, and a metal/foam surround. Are you certain that your car is, indeed, an 87? In any event, yes, you can add this cooler to your car as many with pre-87s add one to theirs.

Edward

 

Rnln: Sounds like the PO removed your "carerra cooler" or you don't have an my87. Pop the hood and check your vin # under the carpet. Look just behind the fuel tank for the stamped metal plate. If the 10th letter is a "H" you've got an 87.

 

I have the same question. I do have an oil cooler in the front wheel well. But, I also have one under the front lip....I always assumed it was for the A/C. Yes, there is one mounted on the tail lid also...I thought that was for the A/C also. '84 911.

 

Go easy on the guy, everyone has to start and learn sometime

he probably can't see it with the metal panel in front of it in a dark dirty fender well..........................

It has a large cooler with an electric fan in the front part of the right front fender well and another behind cylinder #6 on the right side of the motor (which you will never see unless the car is on a lift so don't try)

fender well


the old style cooler



and the cooler on the motor with (the flat aluminum looking thing with the black hose coming off of it on your left side of the motor as you are looking at it)


and the cooler off the motor

 

funny thing about the 911 - at some level it seems Porsche first designed the shape, then figured out where to cram everything. and win at LeMans, Daytona, Nurburgring. subsequently, little items like AC had to find a home. it is an amazing development story over 40+ yrs.

these 911s have an air/oil cooled, dry sump engine. starting @ 2.0l, they ultimately grew to 3.8. To deliver greater power and meet increasingly restrictive emissions regulations, temp mgmt became a big deal, therefore the oil cooling subsystem got a lot of attention. the oil cooler integrated with the engine goes back to the VW / 356 era. over time a second oil cooler up front was added - in the coolest airstream. at first it was simple trombone-shaped piping (kinda like some auto transmission oil coolers in American cars) located in the frt right wheel well. the oil lines (under the car's right side) themselves function to dissipate heat (even the metal oil tank serves as a radiator). later, the trombone was replaced by a more typical looking cooler. {a larger oil cooler located behind the center of the front spoiler was used on competition cars - not to be confused w/ the AC condensor located under the nose in normal production cars}.

this is one reason why it is important to understand the year-to-year changes (such as Pete's book lays out nicely). also, Porsche owners of the past were much like they are now - often upgrading their cars w/ the latest factory (race-bred) solution. further, the dual purpose nature of the cars means that many were upgraded by owners for track use. unusual deviations from the norm is not neccessarily a bad thing on a 911, but one must delve into the whys & hows if you really want to understand what's going on w/ a car you might buy or are modding / restoring.

 

fixnprsh, great photographs to a great car to a great movie,..You drink just how many oj's per day?? I would love to see more pics of your, "REAL AS IT USED TO BE", 911,..If any, where??..

 

Marc,
This kind of reply is very unhelpful. When somebody is asking a question on these forums they are rarely joking.

I know of 964s that if you go looking for the oil cooler and after the wheel arch covers are removed (which you sort of failed to mention) you will not find it under the right fender. I know of others fitted with two or four oil coolers.

It is not uncommon in the earlier models of 911 to find the oil cooler relocated. If it has been relocated it will be moved to the front of the 911 and will be either one large or two smaller units connected in series.

The warming of the fender only applies if the thermostat is open and oil is flowing to the oil cooler.

Ciao,
Adrian.

 

rnln, please excuse me, I've been harded by another internet site, I should have been more correct, there was no harm intended, that really is not my way. I thanked you for an honest question and all the same, I gave an honest answer. In great detail, no, but instead i wish you all the best for the Holidays. Marc Agnew

 

and if he has a real slant nose 930 - he might as well have a rear oil cooler in the slats... in front of the rear tire.

 

Adrian - I agree. When I first posted here on a tranny rebuild issued a few of years back, I was slammed hard by a couple of posters and made to feel like a complete fool. I did not come back for a long time. I went to the PP BB. They were much more helpful and friendly offering only advice and help. For some reason, the posters from back then are gone now. One thing that it did do for me was to force me to become more knowledgeable about P-Cars before I posted. I read BA's book, 101 Projects, picked up Haynes and Bentley manuals, read as many tech articles here and on PP as I could find. I do appreciate this board and have gotten some great help here. I will become a paying member in short notice.

Regards,
Jim

 

Marc A,
As I have read many times that 87-89 has 2 AC condensors. One if up front behind the grill, one is at the whale tail. The only cooler for oil is under the right front fender.

Edward,
my car is 87 wide body conversion. Not sure when it got converted.
So normal 87-89 shuold have 2 oil cooler? One like I have at the rear, and one at the front right fender?

ClaudeB,
The title has the H as the 10th. I'll check the car right now.

Lostinalt,
You are right. I've read that too.

fixnprsh,
Thanks for the pic. Your pic is the right front fender cooler right? That uis the one I don't have. I do have the one at the rear under the engine. The hoses connect to the cooler on your pic is smaller than mine. Mine hoses are buigger and is connected together by a brass pipe. That's why I had an idea of adding a cooler there. hoho funny that my idea is the stock item hoho.
uumm.. it's weird that my car is not running hot when it's missing an oil cooler.. umm.. the temp is always below the middle point.
What year model is the pic you posted?

the second pic your post as "older style cooler", I can't see any cooler at all. Is it the "curvy little pipe" there?

OK, I am corect on the motor's oil cooler

Adrian,
our car have oil thermostat? (87-89) Oh my... so many supprises.

g-50cab,
no mine is not real slantnose. It's converted later on and it is not a turbo.
I don't have anything in the hood. The only cooller I have up front is the stock condensor in front of the cross member, and behind the front grill.

Adrian, jet911,
It ok. Marc was just being honest. Something I don't know but it seem like hamburger to someone since they are here for years. And I don't feel hard at all. If I am an idiot because I ask question as this, then everyone had to be an idiot at least once. And I know that there are mil of people out there don't know this either. Also, this board has been very helpful to my opinion. I ahve been in many boards over years and believe me, there are much worse. Honestly, I think MARC's response wasn't bad at all, to me.

Now I know the little curvy pipe line there is my cooler hoho.. I have to replace it with some real cooler soon. Hopefully my oil temp doesn't go up after I replace it

THANKS ALL GUYS. I APPRECIATE IT.

 

"rnln",..God bless you, it's because I am new here, I answered as if I were still at cardomain, where bad jokes, bad words, and ride page sabatoge is the norm. Check my site, read my posts, look at my photos, I hope you'll see the real me in how I write, and not judge me by others that read my words wrong... That's too easy and cheap!.. I, like you, made the effort to communicate, I do not watch everyone else's comments, what for, this is a forum, and I respect it! "Because, if I really thought you were such a nut-case I would not have written to you at all". And yes, at 58, ex flower-power and all that stuff, not only do I have a lot to learn about Porsche, I have even more to learn about MAN!!.. Porsche is easier,... Thanks I appreciate your, once again, honest words!!.. At, "964 land" I started a thread asking for facial photographs, pls. post a photo and come and meet the, Agnew Family and my 911/964, and so many other SUPER Guys and Gals, I would love to meet the Man, that I'm writing to, who saw my thoughts and nothing more, and if, you asked the same question, I would give you the same answer, because I am not an expert, I'm just another guy... Happy Dec. 02/05!!.... thanks...MarcA.

 

Marc,
no hard feeling, as I said. I appreciate all input, yours too. I don't find your respnse any "bad words" at all. Don't worry about it.
Thanks.