Carrera GT

Do these numbers fit for a '73 Carrera RS?

911 Carrera 2.7 RS
M471
Prod # 1036619
Chassis # 9116601063
Engine # 6631028

Is there any recognised places for valuing these cars?
Checking authenticity and provenance?
Is there a registry specifically for the Carrera RS?
Can the chassis number determine if this is a RS R, RS T or fabled "light weight" car?

Cheers,

ps. yes, I searched this forum, but only found debate threads (including that humourous one from last week) plus I need to know about this specific set of numbers, please.

RS racer

The Carrera RS book is the bible on everything RS.

It can be ordered on line ($158).

T.A.G Verlag GmbH
Kohlmarkt 5
A 1010 Wien
Tel. +43-1-699 24 06, Fax +43-1-699 24 07
Email: office@tag-books.com

You will have to schedule a few days off work after it arrives because there is so much great information in it.

It will list ever RS produced giving chassis no. engine No. and every option the car was delivered with. A lightweight will carry the M471 option designation.

I can look up the numbers you gave in my copy and get back to you although an RS serial no. should start with #911360XXX. So the one your reference probably isn't an original RS.

Another good book is John Starkeys book. He also list the serial no.

There is a web site, <a href="http://www.classiccars.com" target="_blank">www.classiccars.com</a> that lists all of the RS and RSR chassis no. but does not list options as delivered.

Good luck

Brian 96C2

Are you sure you didn't mean to type 9113601063 instead of 9116601063? The engine number you listed (6631028) coresponds with the RS chassis number 9113601063. If this is the correct VIN # then the car was delivered as a M472 (Touring model) in the color Aubergine with a leatherette interior and seats with hound's tooth inserts in the seats. Interestingly this car has no listed options.

Does this resemble the car you are talking about? There were only 16 Aubergine RS cars produced so it would be a rather rare color.

Brian 96C2

&lt;&lt;Prod # 1036619&gt;&gt;

Is this the number stamped on the underside of the dash next to the radio? If it is then yes this number can be used along with the correct VIN# to authenticate the car. The numbers can be presented to Porsche and they will verifiy the authenticity of the car. I have never gone through this process but I have spoken to others who have.

Carrera GT

Okay, I've just sent of an email trying to order that book.
Thanks, George. (can you read the envy in my words ... an RS America and a '73 RS Lightweight ?! ... aargh!)
And a typo on the chassis #, 9113601063 ... I'd post a photo of the chassis plate, but I can't figure out how to get images to go into this forum!? (it seems like the only way is to use BBcode to point to a URL with "IMG" no?)

Carrera GT

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Brian 96C2:
<strong>Are you sure you didn't mean to type 9113601063 instead of 9116601063? The engine number you listed (6631028) coresponds with the RS chassis number 9113601063. If this is the correct VIN # then the car was delivered as a M472 (Touring model) in the color Aubergine with a leatherette interior and seats with hound's tooth inserts in the seats. Interestingly this car has no listed options.

Does this resemble the car you are talking about? There were only 16 Aubergine RS cars produced so it would be a rather rare color.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Exactly right -- it's a Touring modified to Lightweight spec (and then some...) so it's not correct or original. It was Aubergine (purple in my beer-drinking part of the world... But at least the carpets match the curtains as they say, so the real question:

What is this car worth now?

It's repainted white (in 2000) has a 2.7 engine modified to an alleged 240hp, the interior is clean and reasonably well done, but it's lost the original seats. It has been set up for the track (Matter cage, fixed racing seats, cut-off switch on the sill in front of the windshield, some light-weight side and rear glass) it has CA DOT/EPA and title.

The brakes are meant to be RSR spec (whatever that is) and the suspension is described as RSR coil-overs? Did they have this stuff back in the day?

Anyway, aside from being no longer correct, it's probably had a "compelling" reason (maybe the crash guard at a race track in Europe somewhere) to be rebuilt, restored and resprayed. Assuming I get it checked and the engine is healthy and the chassis and pan are mostly rust-free and evidently accident-free, what's the price?

Is this a $100K+ 1973 Carrera RS ?
Is it a $75K "also" car suited to track and road entertainment?
Is it a $25K "project" that would cost another $50K to restore to original (give or take the brown/purple colours...)?
Is it, as I suspect, a $40K car that the owner wants $75K for?

Advice?

Seen one of these things sell lately?

For that matter, have you seen a '73 911S or RS in the "R Gruppe" setup for sale?

Cheers,

Brian 96C2

This car (9113601063) sold at the RM auction at Monterey last year for $60,000 without the buyer's premium. The Sportscar Market Mag. price guide gives a range of $55,000 to $75,000 for a RS Touring model depending, of course, on condition, originality etc. I have looked at pictures and information of 5 RS Touring models that are for sale here and in Europe and because of the interest created by the 30 year anniversary of this model I would say that the top figure is now closer to $80,000 for a top condition Touring.

You may want to pose this question on the Pelican 911 board also. There are several current and past RS owners that frequent that board that could give you better information.

Carrera GT

Brian,
Thanks for doing the research (I don't have back-issues of the Market Magazine, I guess that's where the sale was reported.)
The car looks like it's worth maybe $40K-50K today, some evidence of rust creeping through in tell-tale places under the rear window and the engine cover hinges. It's heavily modified and the parts to restore have gone missing. I wouldn't want to be the one to write the checks to get this car back to correct.
I'll go over to Pelican and put up a flag there too.
Overall, I'm leaning towards wanting a "plain" '73RST -- the whole idea of the car is to learn to drive that particular page in history, so I'm not really interested in the modified cars with improvements. I like the idea of a R Gruppe go fast hot rod, but that car is a separate idea from getting a '73RS (for me, anyway.)

Cheers,

JPhillips-998

you can also try carclassic.com for rs's and other Porsches of interest for sale.

Brian 96C2

Here is a shot of a recently available RS to get you pumped up. This is chassis #0036. It was repainted recently in the original Chartruse green. Very pretty car. Non-matching numbers car that is listed for sale at $76,500.

<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/GreenRSsidesmall.jpg" alt=" - " />

Here is shot of the interior. Don't you love the hound's tooth seat inserts. The passenger seat is completely original and driver's seat is the original seat that has been recovered. The owner is trying source the correct HT material.

<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/GreenRSintsmall.jpg" alt=" - " />

If you want to see a bunch of real RS cars be sure to attend the RGruppe get together in Monterey in several weeks. It will be the featured car and there are expect to be 10 to 12 cars there. Wolfturbo (Rob) on the Pelican board convinced me to come out and I'm really looking forward to it.

GrantG

What is the exact place and time for the R Gruppe meet in Monterey?

JMZ

I want it! I want it! Seems like a lot for a non numbers matching car but that is one awesome looking RS.

Carrera GT

Well, you've got to respect someone willing to keep the original, well, let's call it "distinctive" (and hopefully unique...) green. I know it was fashionable in the day, but I don't think those colours really say "Porsche."

The window switches and the R1 rubber (are those Yoko's?) give the impression this car, along with the non-matching numbers, is set up to be used.

Any photos of the engine bay?

Cheers,

JMZ

You kidding me, that green, gulf orange, mexico blue, aubergine all scream Porsche to me. Harkens back to the 70's heyday of Porsche dominance!

Brian 96C2

JMZ,

I agree and I would add Viper green, Signal yellow and orange to that list as classic early 911 colors.

Here is a shot of the engine.

<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/GreenRSenginesmall.jpg" alt=" - " />

Here is what the car looked like before the present owner returned it to it's former glory.

<a href="http://www.carquip.com/sale/rs/index.asp" target="_blank">RS before current restoration</a>

The RGruppe meeting in Monterey is May 2-4. Here is the link to their site with all the info.

<a href="http://www.rgruppe.org/Events/montereyRgruppe03.html" target="_blank">RGruppe at Monterey</a>