Archer911

Well "THEICEMAN" if you don't like what I am posting don't look at it.

I understand you would like to control what people say and consider yourself "the judge" when it comes to subject matter but on-line bullying, which is what you are doing, is to me one of the most disgusting realities of internet forums.

Mark Salvetti

We understand you’re disappointed in the condition of the car, and rightly so. But Ice has a point. We’re happy to help you sort out the best way of fixing the car’s problems, you just need to ask. I haven’t read this thread for a while and just came back to see if the tone had changed, because I had the same sense as he did.

It’s not bullying, just some friendly advice. You may find people moving on to a more positive thread, so when you do need help with something your audience is going to be limited and you may not find the help you need.

The missing pedal covers are an opportunity to go with something from Rennline, maybe in brushed aluminum. I am thinking of doing the same to add some contrast to an otherwise bland, all-black interior.

Did you decide to do to do anything with the oil lines? Here is the Pelican thread with the fix: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...ne-5-beer.html

Mark

Archer911

Thanks for the kind response Mark.

This thread is not about upgrades hence the title.

If nobody on Rennlist cares to hear this story so that a similar thing doesn’t happen to them some day then I shouldn’t waste my time here.

To be clear this thread was not started to ask for help fixing any of these problems, instead it's about my experience buying the car and all the problems I am discovering that were not disclosed in the auction listing. I hope I can help at least one person not make the same mistake that I did.
I may certainly contribute to other threads with information on how I am fixing these issues in the future—I have taken many photos.

I bought the Rennline pedal covers and they will be on today (the bare metal pads are damn slippery). I will certainly replace the damaged oil line as well as remedy the issues with the forward oil cooler and housing.

Thanks again

theiceman

i think your projects are valuable, and many can learn from what you are doing technically ... all im saying is get off the ' this car was supposed to be pristine" train , every body got that after the first 5 posts.

Archer911

Unless I posted to the wrong forum, and perhaps I did, (moderator please let me know if my posts are inappropriate) then why should I stop talking about this, supplying photos, showing examples, just because you tell me to stop talking?

Here's another question for you:
This weekend at cars and coffee I will bring this car because numerous PCA members and non PCA Porsche owners who are my friends want to know about my experiences with pcarmarket and the seller and the problems I am having with this car.
Finally the question-If you were walking by and heard me "whining" about it as you have previously stated would you then tell me to stop talking, to stop whining?
I don't think you would. You'd either listen or walk away. That's the difference between face to face conversations and tapping these words out online. People behave differently online, don't they?

Now at this stage I have more than $60k in this car, spent at least 50 hours fixing problems, and that's serious. Have you ever seen this car in person? Have you driven this car? Is this your money? I guess no to all those questions.

I am not looking at posts here or on any other forum that I am not interested in. I am not making negative comments and trying to shut other conversations down because I don't like what someone else is saying. You haven't added one comment of any value to this thread that I can see. Why don't you just leave me alone and move on to other topics?

This thread is not about how I will fix all the problems with this car. This thread is about my experience buying the car and all the problems I am discovering that were not disclosed in the auction listing.

r911

Well, that's fine. Your list of problems can help others who happen to find this thread, but if they don't get a PPI or know to do so, how likely are they to find the thread and read it.

Then there are benefits to you: [1] you might be able to use it to document the issues as it shows the date yo found and posted something, but how will that help?
[2] it is cheaper than going to a psycho-therapist.

So...??

theiceman

lolz [2]

Archer911

To "THE ICEMAN" and "R911" I think I know you guys! Are't you two of the people on Bring A Trailer who have no intention of buying the car they are commenting on, criticizing how the car is being test driven, adding nothing of value to any conversation? Yeah, that's your personality profile. You are impressed by how many posts you have regardless of how worthless they are—legends in your own minds perhaps?

Now that you fine gentlemen have taken a healthy dump in this thread what are your goals for the future?

salayc

Just move on man...
Most of us are interested in you documenting your work.

r911

No, you have me confused with someone else.

If you want to post to help others do it, tho as I said they likely won't find this thread.

Or keep whining, which is what you've turned this thread into.

911 Rod

Did you guys get Archie banned or did he change his profile so you'd stop aggravating him? lol

r911

not me - I'm fine with him posting - like watching a list of bad POs in history (or like watching a dumpster fire from upwind, depending on the emotive content)

oldskewel

I don't want to get caught in any cross fire here , but I'll say that I find this thread interesting, and expect it will be useful for other potential 911 buyers who can see what could possibly be wrong behind the nice online photos.

Also, it seems that Archer911 is very capable of quickly identifying and fixing all these problems, and documenting them well, which would probably not be the case for most people who buy the wrong car, so it will help them too.

All the whining about other people whining is not so interesting or useful to me, but maybe I'm different. So I just try to skip over those posts, hoping for some useful content. Flame away people.

SP2000

There are used car scammers all over the place and even more so with something like air cooled Porsches that are commanding premium prices these days. You're buying the seller, so to speak as much as you are buying the car. I've been through the buying used car long distance process many times. I had to kiss a lot of frogs before finding the prince. Within a few minutes on the phone I can tell if it's someone I want to do business with or not. I was interested in this one Carrera that on paper looked great. Right color, right mileage, condition looked good. But every question I asked the seller came back with a vague, wishy washy answer. What kind of maintenance records do you have? Oh I dunno, I've maintained it well. What's the last major service the car had? Oh I dunno, it runs great, it doesn't need anything. OK thank you for your time, click. There's nothing like a 15 minute phone call (not emails, not texts, not tweets, but real time conversation) with a seller to know whether to proceed or not. Which is impossible to do with an online auction.

As for PPIs, even if the car is located in a city/town without an available Porsche expert, have someone look at it. A decent mechanic should be able to spot obvious problems on any car, including a Porsche, even if he's never laid eyes on one before.

And even after doing all that and taking every precaution and doing all due diligence.....it's still a used car. And it's a gamble buying one. And sometimes you will get burned and there's not a hell of a lot you can do about it other than take your lumps and move on.

theiceman

im sure given his penchant to whine , the fact he is now sulking should not surpise anyone..

in the Canadian road hockey venacular .. " i'm taking my net and i'm going home !"