Poor man Singer
10-02-2017, 01:15 PM
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Poor man Singer
Hi everyone!
My name is Marko and I am from Croatia. Like the title says I am planning to build poor man Singer. I have found 1981 911 3.0 SC Targa without engine and transmission. What engine and tranny do you recommend for this car? I would use as weekend car, probably no track use, and maybe some 400-500 km round trips around Croatian coast. I am new at this so if you could point on what things to pay attention.
Thank you for your help
My name is Marko and I am from Croatia. Like the title says I am planning to build poor man Singer. I have found 1981 911 3.0 SC Targa without engine and transmission. What engine and tranny do you recommend for this car? I would use as weekend car, probably no track use, and maybe some 400-500 km round trips around Croatian coast. I am new at this so if you could point on what things to pay attention.
Thank you for your help
10-02-2017, 01:39 PM
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What is your budget?
10-02-2017, 03:30 PM
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I dont have strictly defined budget. I have mechanic who is good friend so all engine and mechanical work should be almost free. I was thinking around 30-40k $. The car price is not included in that budget.
10-03-2017, 01:59 AM
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The right answer on a budget is ‘unlimited’. Installing an updated powertrain makes it a Hot Rod. A Singer, even a poor man’s Singer demands more, a lot more.
Also, any 36-year-old car that’s come to rest somewhere with its major guts disemboweled is most likely to have many more misplaced and inoperative things. All Porsche things are expensive!
Surely your wife thinks this is an ill-conceived notion, and if she does any independent research the nomenclature ‘requires unlimited budget’ will keep coming up. Not to worry, just send her here, we can convince anybody that this will be a good, sound, and profitable venture.
Also, any 36-year-old car that’s come to rest somewhere with its major guts disemboweled is most likely to have many more misplaced and inoperative things. All Porsche things are expensive!
Surely your wife thinks this is an ill-conceived notion, and if she does any independent research the nomenclature ‘requires unlimited budget’ will keep coming up. Not to worry, just send her here, we can convince anybody that this will be a good, sound, and profitable venture.
10-03-2017, 09:00 AM
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Been there done that!
First two questions you should ask yourself. How much are you planning to do yourself? What is your timeline? Only then can you set a budget.
Johan
First two questions you should ask yourself. How much are you planning to do yourself? What is your timeline? Only then can you set a budget.
Johan
10-03-2017, 01:34 PM
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Engine and trans (running and in good shape ) 12k
Backdate (do it yourself) 10k
Paint (budget from a friend/ trade work) 5k
Engine upgrades (ITBs / EFI) Triump / aem 5k
Additional engine upgrade (custom sound pad, shroud, delete work and smoothing bay) 2k
Suspension upgrades (basic, new shocks and bushings) 1k
Wheels and tires 3k (Euromeister 17s with decent tires) Rsr finish yourself for $50
Interior - GTS singer like seats 4k
New carpet set - and door panels 2k
Dash deletes and floorboards 1k
Wevo shifter 1k
Momo prototipo with adapter l $400
Singer-esque headlights 1k
Optional
backdate oil tank (2k)
Move gas fill to hood 1k
Sunroof fill 1k
Engine rebuild or 3.6 swap 10-20k
Optional suspension upgrades 5k
Frunk makeover 1k-2k
upgraded interior carpets and door panels 5k
Improved/ chrome ring bezel gauges 1k?
Better wheels and tires 6k
Better paint 20k
etc etc etc
:-) hope this helps! The great thing you can do is small changes over time if you are on a budget. I would plan the look of the car out first, you will save a lot if you have a solid plan going forward.
Backdate (do it yourself) 10k
Paint (budget from a friend/ trade work) 5k
Engine upgrades (ITBs / EFI) Triump / aem 5k
Additional engine upgrade (custom sound pad, shroud, delete work and smoothing bay) 2k
Suspension upgrades (basic, new shocks and bushings) 1k
Wheels and tires 3k (Euromeister 17s with decent tires) Rsr finish yourself for $50
Interior - GTS singer like seats 4k
New carpet set - and door panels 2k
Dash deletes and floorboards 1k
Wevo shifter 1k
Momo prototipo with adapter l $400
Singer-esque headlights 1k
Optional
backdate oil tank (2k)
Move gas fill to hood 1k
Sunroof fill 1k
Engine rebuild or 3.6 swap 10-20k
Optional suspension upgrades 5k
Frunk makeover 1k-2k
upgraded interior carpets and door panels 5k
Improved/ chrome ring bezel gauges 1k?
Better wheels and tires 6k
Better paint 20k
etc etc etc
:-) hope this helps! The great thing you can do is small changes over time if you are on a budget. I would plan the look of the car out first, you will save a lot if you have a solid plan going forward.
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10-05-2017, 01:18 PM
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It wont be a poor mans Singer, It will be a poor mans backdate wide body.
You should look for a 3.0L SC motor or 3.2 Carrera motor.
915 or G50 gear box.
(you could install a 964 engine and transmission, but that might be more work and up your budget and not help resale).
You can buy the 17" "Singer" wheels from Fiske.
Install 1969-1973 steel front fenders and get the back date fiberglass long hood from Getty.
GTS sell the seats.
Elephant sell the suspension.
930 brakes would suffice.
You can spend upwards of a 100k in a blink.
I can think of better cars to be into for 100k.
You should look for a 3.0L SC motor or 3.2 Carrera motor.
915 or G50 gear box.
(you could install a 964 engine and transmission, but that might be more work and up your budget and not help resale).
You can buy the 17" "Singer" wheels from Fiske.
Install 1969-1973 steel front fenders and get the back date fiberglass long hood from Getty.
GTS sell the seats.
Elephant sell the suspension.
930 brakes would suffice.
You can spend upwards of a 100k in a blink.
I can think of better cars to be into for 100k.
10-06-2017, 12:27 AM
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That's a 915 tranny tub, not a G-50 tub.
Remember that the guys building wildly modified car have access to to vast hoards of parts. When I wanted 930 brakes on my hot rod it was just a matter of trading with a friend. Someone else may have had to fork over $1,500/caliper. My struts we're also almost no money out of pocket yet almost everyone else on the planet would be out $3,000. Things to think about.
Remember that the guys building wildly modified car have access to to vast hoards of parts. When I wanted 930 brakes on my hot rod it was just a matter of trading with a friend. Someone else may have had to fork over $1,500/caliper. My struts we're also almost no money out of pocket yet almost everyone else on the planet would be out $3,000. Things to think about.
10-06-2017, 01:55 AM
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That's a 915 tranny tub, not a G-50 tub.
Remember that the guys building wildly modified car have access to to vast hoards of parts. When I wanted 930 brakes on my hot rod it was just a matter of trading with a friend. Someone else may have had to fork over $1,500/caliper. My struts we're also almost no money out of pocket yet almost everyone else on the planet would be out $3,000. Things to think about.
Remember that the guys building wildly modified car have access to to vast hoards of parts. When I wanted 930 brakes on my hot rod it was just a matter of trading with a friend. Someone else may have had to fork over $1,500/caliper. My struts we're also almost no money out of pocket yet almost everyone else on the planet would be out $3,000. Things to think about.
10-06-2017, 07:26 AM
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I would imagine it is. The G-50 is several inches wider. The torsion tubes sit further out so that entire section of the car has to be cut out and rebuilt. I sure wouldn't want to buy a car that went through a pan and tube transplant. Even the forward tranny mounts are different.
10-06-2017, 01:10 PM
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I would imagine it is. The G-50 is several inches wider. The torsion tubes sit further out so that entire section of the car has to be cut out and rebuilt. I sure wouldn't want to buy a car that went through a pan and tube transplant. Even the forward tranny mounts are different.
