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I would guess 1000 spyder RS for North America, max. Thats roughly touring numbers and the spyder is one of the most beautiful cars ever made imho. All time classic, convertible mid engine GT3, and it revs to 9k which is psycho. It hasn't sunk in yet that porsche will not make any more analog mid ICE engine monsters
Not that it matters to me either because I'm also in the US.
But since it was asked. Here is the requested source/citation why the 4RS and SRS are exempt from UNECE R155 & R156 and other new/future regulations in the EU.
Both of these approval documents do not require vehicles produced in small series to adapt new regulation.
They only have to and I quote from 2018/853 EN Article 41:
"...an EU type-approval for a type of vehicle produced in small series that satisfies at least the technical requirements laid down in Appendix 1 to Part I of Annex II..."
Not a word about cyber security in 2018/853 EN Appendix 1 to Part I of Annex II ...
What's terrifying to me is that the EU bureaucracy managed to write 378 pages about essentially just references to more regulations about vehicle manufacturing.
Guess a lot of money can be made with a EU law degree
Last edited by Spyder718; 01-15-2024 at 05:20 PM.
Reason: wrong link
How many 4RS Vin's are we at for the USA so far if you've pulled that recently?
Not recently no. I'll do that at the end of the MY. Worldwide it's >5000 by now though.
So with a MY'25 they'll probably get to that 7000 total units that was floating around all along imo.
Not that it matters to me either because I'm also in the US.
But since it was asked. Here is the requested source/citation why the 4RS and SRS are exempt from UNECE R155 & R156 and other new/future regulations in the EU.
Both of these approval documents do not require vehicles produced in small series to adapt new regulation.
They only have to and I quote from 2018/853 EN Article 41:
"...an EU type-approval for a type of vehicle produced in small series that satisfies at least the technical requirements laid down in Appendix 1 to Part I of Annex II..."
Not a word about cyber security in 2018/853 EN Appendix 1 to Part I of Annex II ...
What's terrifying to me is that the EU bureaucracy managed to write 378 pages about essentially just references to more regulations about vehicle manufacturing.
Guess a lot of money can be made with a EU law degree
I looked at the first link. It was repealed in 2020…
Why would a PAG C-suite guy brief at RR7 differently?
I looked at the first link. It was repealed in 2020…
That's why I pointed out the unit differences 4RS 1000 vs SRS 1500 per year.
Once approved under a set of rules the small series parameters don't change for better (no new regulations) or worse (fewer units).
Makes sense?
Originally Posted by TXshaggy
Why would a PAG C-suite guy brief at RR7 differently?
I'm 99% sure I've heard that same guy (Michael Steiner right?) say in a podcast a few weeks back that 4RS and SRS can still be made after end of all other 718.
But yeah that should be debated by the EU guys lol. Congrats on the coming SRS.
That's why I pointed out the unit differences 4RS 1000 vs SRS 1500 per year.
Once approved under a set of rules the small series parameters don't change for better (no new regulations) or worse (fewer units).
Makes sense?
I'm 99% sure I've heard that same guy (Michael Steiner right?) say in a podcast a few weeks back that 4RS and SRS can still be made after end of all other 718.
But yeah that should be debated by the EU guys lol. Congrats on the coming SRS.
confirmed ;;; you are completely right !!! good news for EU ,,,,just confirmed with spanish dealers that 4RS and SRS will be produce for the EU ,,,,for sure MY2025 ,,,,let,s see MY2026 ,,,,
Was reading this article on the 992.2 and found this gem:
The naturally aspirated 4.0-liter flat-six reportedly rated at 503 hp and 347 pound-feet looks like the logical evolutionary short-term choice for the next GT3 and GT3 Touring. Peaking at 8400 rpm, this is said to feature a 48-volt hybrid system courtesy of Valeo. With no more than 5600 units planned for the 2024-26 timeframe, the charismatic high-revving 24-valver remains the coveted choice in the brand's powertrain lineup.
No attribution, but if true that establishes PAG’s buildout for this motor.
That's why I pointed out the unit differences 4RS 1000 vs SRS 1500 per year.
Once approved under a set of rules the small series parameters don't change for better (no new regulations) or worse (fewer units).
Makes sense?
I'm 99% sure I've heard that same guy (Michael Steiner right?) say in a podcast a few weeks back that 4RS and SRS can still be made after end of all other 718.
But yeah that should be debated by the EU guys lol. Congrats on the coming SRS.
Actually dove into the doc a bit and aside from the 1,000 units for the EU for category M1 as a whole there is also a restriction per country of 75 units per year. Seems that the individual countries can also reduce that number (to zero) if they want. The number of units of one type to be registered, sold or put into service per year in one Member State in application of Article 23 shall be determined by that Member State but shall not exceed the figures shown below for the vehicle category in question:
Actually dove into the doc a bit and aside from the 1,000 units for the EU for category M1 as a whole there is also a restriction per country of 75 units per year. Seems that the individual countries can also reduce that number (to zero) if they want. The number of units of one type to be registered, sold or put into service per year in one Member State in application of Article 23 shall be determined by that Member State but shall not exceed the figures shown below for the vehicle category in question:
Category
Units
M1
75
Yes, that's how I read that too. The way I understand it they upped it in the new regulation to 250 per country of the 1500/year for the Spyder RS. It's regulatory insanity imo.
Yes, that's how I read that too. The way I understand it they upped it in the new regulation to 250 per country of the 1500/year for the Spyder RS. It's regulatory insanity imo.
I'm a bit curious about the number of GT4RS with the hood & wing stripe option that was formerly a CXX option. Are you able to get a rough idea how many of the 4RS has it so far?
So what is the plain English interpretation of all the regulatory analysis? (Which doesn’t guarantee Porsche will do anything, it just says what they COULD do)
I'm a bit curious about the number of GT4RS with the hood & wing stripe option that was formerly a CXX option. Are you able to get a rough idea how many of the 4RS has it so far?
So far 187 of the MY'24 have optioned the stripe in NA.
I'm a bit curious about the number of GT4RS with the hood & wing stripe option that was formerly a CXX option. Are you able to get a rough idea how many of the 4RS has it so far?
Is this a popular option?
I would think it works on certain colors... I got to see one in the flesh to decide if it looks odd by not having the stripe continue across a CF roof (which the 4RS doesn't have)
So far 187 of the MY'24 have optioned the stripe in NA.
Out of how many? I would assume now that it is "only" the cost of a Porsche option and not a CXX option and visible in the configurator, that it is more popular.
Originally Posted by Asiandude66
Is this a popular option?
I would think it works on certain colors... I got to see one in the flesh to decide if it looks odd by not having the stripe continue across a CF roof (which the 4RS doesn't have)
The Roof top is painted on a GT4RS and not exposed CF, so it looks pretty good. I think it looks better than without the stripe, especially for lightly colored cars. I append the configurator render of my spec at the bottom. For very dark colors/black, the stripe may be less visible.
01-15-2024, 12:01 PM
