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Old 02-03-2023, 01:51 AM
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Hi, new member here and considering buying a new GT4 that has options that brings the car up to $158k. Some of the major cost drivers include ceramic brakes, paint to sample, deviated stitching, 18-way seats, LED PDLS+, and a bunch of small leather coverings. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GT4 with a MSRP that high. Would this be dumb to move forward and buy this? Will the resale value be way lower because of such a high MSRP spec? I don’t plan to sell this anytime soon, but I want to be aware if I’m going to take a big hit later. Dealer is selling at MSRP

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02-05-2023, 12:34 PM
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Thank you all for your feedback and perspective, I really appreciate it. I put down my deposit, I'm going to go for it . I love it and when I visualize what car would I rather have in my garage, this is what I see.

There isn't a listing for this otherwise I would share it.

@Dr.Bill @GT325 - You got it, this is the same one. I couldn't remember the color name, but I do believe it is Manaus Blue. Maybe I'll see you around town.


Old 02-03-2023, 01:59 AM
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Seems like a really bloated build with that MSRP. But it's your money, build the car you want to have.

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Old 02-03-2023, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Crunchy1
Hi, new member here and considering buying a new GT4 that has options that brings the car up to $158k. Some of the major cost drivers include ceramic brakes, paint to sample, deviated stitching, 18-way seats, LED PDLS+, and a bunch of small leather coverings. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GT4 with a MSRP that high. Would this be dumb to move forward and buy this? Will the resale value be way lower because of such a high MSRP spec? I don’t plan to sell this anytime soon, but I want to be aware if I’m going to take a big hit later. Dealer is selling at MSRP
That's pretty high but get what you want. You won't get the $8000 PCCBs or the PDLS+ either right now so that'll bring things down. I selected most options with the exception of NAV and LWB's but got PCCB and PDLS+ and was only at $131.9K. Post your build code so we can see what you've selected.
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I didn't build this car, this has already been delivered to the dealer with the current build spec below including PCCB and PDLS+. Just wanted some thoughts on if this is a bad idea and if I'm going to take a big hit on resale value for some of these non-performance items like personalized floor mats, leather door trim, manual in leather pouch, etc ... I like the car and the PTS makes it look pretty amazing, but not sure I want to move forward if I take a huge depreciation hit.

2 89 Paint to Sample 12,830.00

3 79 Leather/Race-Tex Interior in Black w/ Silver Stitching 2,160.00

00480 Color Selection for Stitching in Deviated Color 0.00

4 0UB Preparation for Paint to Sample 0.00

24103 Steering Wheel Rim with Deviated Stitching 0.00

24104 Seats with Deviated Stitching 0.00

24106 Gear Lever Boot with Deviated Stitching 0.00

24901 Dashboard with Deviated Stitching 0.00

24902 Upper Door Panel with Deviated Stitching 0.00

24906 Center Console Lid with Deviated Stitching 0.00

24931 Paint to Sample Color Selection 0.00

5 250 7-speed Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 3,210.00

25101 Dashboard with Deviated Stitching 0.00

25106 Center Console with Deviated Stitching 0.00

26741 Door Center Panel with Deviated Stitching 0.00

26751 Door Armrest with Deviated Stitching 0.00

26761 Door Grab Handle with Deviated Stitching 0.00

6 342 Heated Seats 530.00

7 450 Porsche Ceramic Composite Brakes (PCCB) 8,000.00

8 498 Deletion of Model Designation on Rear 0.00

9 519 "PORSCHE" Logo in Satin Black 220.00

10 573 2-Zone Automatic Climate Control 770.00

11 602 LED Headlights incl. PDLS+ 2,140.00

12 630 Light Design Package 350.00

13 748 Power Folding Exterior Mirrors 330.00

14 878 Steering Wheel and Gear Lever/Selector in Black Leather 0.00

90017 Seat Backrest Shells in Leather with Deviated Stitching 0.00

90027 Steering Column Casing in Leather with Deviated Stitching 0.00

90051 Inner Door-Sill Guards with Deviated Stitching 0.00

15 9VL BOSE® Surround Sound System 990.00

16 ADN Door Trim Package in Leather/Race-Tex 690.00

17 BYG Owner's Manual Wallet in Leather 480.00

18 BYX Personalized Floor Mats with Leather Edging 600.00

19 CZW Dashboard Trim Package in Leather 1,400.00

20 P07 Adaptive Sport Seats Plus (18-way) 2,640.00

21 P13 Auto-Dimming Mirrors with Integrated Rain Sensor 700.00

22 P1B Interior Trim in Anthracite Brushed Aluminum 0.00

23 P40 Navigation including Porsche Connect 2,320.00

24 QH1 Voice Control 0.00

25 QR5 Chrono Package 550.00

26 XBS Brake Calipers in High Gloss Black 900.00

27 XDK Wheels Painted in Satin Black 600.00

28 XJA Door Handles in High Gloss Black 170.00

29 XLG Storage Compartment Lid in Race-Tex with "PORSCHE" Logo 340.00

30 XLU Sun Visors in Race-Tex 590.00

31 XVA Steering Column Casing in Leather with Deviated Stitching 610.00

32 XVB Inner Door-Sill Guards in Leather with Deviated Stitching 760.00

33 XVC Seat Backrest and Trim in Leather w/ Deviated Stitching 1,770.00

34 XVX Extended Deviated Stitching Interior Package 3,230.00

35 XWN Preparation for Porsche Dashcam (Front) 130.00

36 XYB Exclusive Design Fuel Cap 160.00
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Originally Posted by SpyderSenseOC
That's pretty high but get what you want. You won't get the $8000 PCCBs or the PDLS+ either right now so that'll bring things down. I selected most options with the exception of NAV and LWB's but got PCCB and PDLS+ and was only at $131.9K. Post your build code so we can see what you've selected.
sounds like this might actually be a dealership spec and one thats been sitting on their showroom floor. I'd be willing to bet they were trying to sell it with an ADM as well but with an MSRP that high noone is going to pay 170k+ for a car (assuming 20k ADM).

That being said OP. Its a very high cost build. And in some cases this can actually hurt potential resale. There is a market for it for sure, but i think right now most people seem to be willing to pay around 120-130k for a GT4 with relevant options used. Since this is super bloated with a bunch of stuff, a lot of people wont put much value to things like, leather covered fuse box or steering column. Things like PCCBs and PDLS+ however will essentially "hold their value" as those are high desirable options, but expect to "lose" money on things like PTS, a bunch of little leather things, and maybe the 18-ways. I have heard that most people prefer the 2-ways if not the Buckets.
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Old 02-03-2023, 03:25 AM
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What colour PTS? Some colours sell well, others not so much
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The dealer checked almost every box except for the bucket seats.
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Old 02-03-2023, 08:31 AM
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Do you actually want that PTS and PCCB?

Would you really enjoy all the fluff that’s on the car?

The market is telling you the car is not selling at MSRP.

You might be better off getting your own spec with ADM.
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New build so PAG could have pulled the LWBS from the build last minute like they’re doing to a lot of builds right now.

Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
The dealer checked almost every box except for the bucket seats.
Old 02-03-2023, 08:45 AM
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All of our cars are going to depreciate. But historically, yes, a very highly optioned Porsche sports car will lose more resale value compared to an average or a very lightly optioned example would.

If that car is the package you want, just get it. There probably won't be too many more opportunities to acquire a new GT4.
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Usually PTS cars tend to hold their values better, but there are way too many options on this car. If dealership is selling you this cat at MSRP then it's not a terrible deal in my opinion. If they're going to slap on additional ADM to the bloated build then I'd walk away. Do you love the color and the interior deviated stitching?
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Thanks for all the replies! The car is blue, just don't remember the exact name but i'll post pictures if I go for it. I do love the color and don't mind paying for PTS because it makes it more unique. I plan on tracking the car a few days a year and I'm a little worried about the PCCB, but I don't think i'll be tracking it enough to go through the pads and rotors very quickly. What are your thoughts on PCCB? I know it is very expensive to replace rotors, but are pads costly as well? This is not a daily driver, but I'm looking up all the fun roads close to me . Dealer is selling this at MSRP with no ADM. It sounds like everyone agrees this is a bloated build, but not horrible and to expect a little higher depreciation, but nothing too crazy.
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Most of those options will depreciate like FTX crypto. Would be a fun car to own and drive, but not to sell when the time comes.
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Old 02-03-2023, 12:11 PM
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Your own build with say 10k ADM and the wait, or this car at this price. This is the question. Both likely worth close to the same in few years.
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Some things to consider to help answer your question since really the only person that can decide is you.

1. Since no ADM, that's a win right there because all of the people I've seen reporting on this forum that they got a build allocation in recent months have all reported ADM. With the car being on the lot, you also win because you don't have to wait for it.
2. Most cars that are purchased will depreciate. The GT4/Spyder should depreciate as these are not numbered cars and not the ultimate collector's variant of the line such as the GT4 RS which will not depreciate.
3. The depreciation should be less then a regular Cayman/Boxster variant and hopefully over time, it'll creep back up in value slowly.
4. As for color, PTS color can be a hit or miss. If and when you do plan to sell, the color may immediately turn some people off but at the same time, it may immediately draw someone to the car because they may love the unique PTS color and therefore may be willing to pay more for it.
5. With the interior color being silver, I don't see a clash of colors or a weird build so really it's just a matter of do you love the blue color?
6. The car is built with the PDK and 18 ways. Not necessarily the "desired" performance build for resale as LWBS and especially the 6MT, will bring in more money on the resale but again, if you find the right person, they may be willing to pay more for your specific build because they may want these options.
7. PCCB is not the "desired" option for track days due to replacement costs.
8. Personally, I think this is a good buy especially since there is no ADM and you'll get the car right now vs waiting. If and when you go to sell, you may take a little hit but it will be so worth driving the GT4. It's so fun.
9. If you don't buy it, please share with the group what color blue it is because I'm sure someone else will want to buy it.
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