This is my same exact feeling. I ruined the GT4 for the street trying to make it go faster on track. The GT3 just does everything well stock- first car I didn't want/need to modify.

 

I've never seen a car forum more obsessed with Vmx of 2nd gear.

The shorter gear set accomplishes greater torque multiplication and pulls harder in every gear. You don't need to get to Vmx to experience that effect.

The GT3 has a shorter overall ratio with each individual gear ~15-20% shorter.

 

The "tall gearing" complaint I have always heard is with respect to how much shifting you get to do before you are beyond legal speed limits, not how hard it pulls. vmax reflects that limitation.

You are in no better situation in a gt3 for this specific criteria than in a gt4/spyder.

That is my point.

If you're doing your whole canyon run in second gear in a gt4, you'll be doing the whole canyon run in second gear in a gt3 as well (assuming you don't short shift)

 

If I hear correctly what you're saying, is that you always run your car to redline before shifting, and that point expressed in MPH (in 2nd gear) is similar in both the GT4/3.

In your canyon run example, yes if you are shifting at redline always then both are probably in 2nd. What I'm trying to say is that with a 20% shorter box you're in third much more as it's pulling like 2nd. This shorter ratio set-up does promote more shifting.

 

+10000

Goodness.

Other than comparing lap times set by like-for-like drivers, there is no “better” other than what what each of us prefers, individually. It’s all subjective.

This forum is so full of people making absolute statements based on their own, subjective preferences.

Theres nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion or experience than others…there’s just no need to shove it down everyone’s throat as if it’s fact.

And a car is about more than its lap times…how it looks, how it sounds, etc. these are personal preferences that make a huge difference for a sports car.

 

Not entirely, no. And certainly not for a European like me who has an ocean between himself and DeMan. I'm not getting a 50 grand engine with no effective warranty which may or may not stand up to long term track use and if it breaks I get to argue with someone on the other side of the world about it as opposed to a Porsche dealership with the car under extended warranty... Besides that, it still doesn't really sound like the GT3 engine and adding stuff like x-pipe exhaust just makes it less liveable again.

 

frankly yes.

 

welcome to (internet) social media ... and why I continually ask myself why I bother... sadly its an addiction.

 

completely agree!

I had a pretty awful experience back in the internet bubble days converting my 993 C2S into an RS "tribute", even with a factory 3.8L powerkit etc I would never again modify a car's drivetrain from factory, when it all goes wrong you
are lucky to be left with a car you can sell on the open market, I was lucky to get KBB for a car that had nearly 2x its MSRP invested in it - mostly because of the disreputable practices of a very well known Porsche engine
builder in N Ca.

I also spent quite a bit on my 964 RSA (but not the engine having learned my lesson earlier) another car I never recovered the R&D investment in...

I wouldn't put anything on a car that I could not take off with the tools in my garage ... not too mention that the weakest performance part in any car is typically the driver (Me) - when I'm turning factory driver laptimes at the 'Ring I'd
consider other performance modifications...

we might as well buy a racecar like a Radical - they leave GT cars standing still!

 

Fully agree. I've got the same and smile every time I hear it!!

 

It appears to me that the GT3 is a much more "serious" car, if that makes sense. Higher limits, higher price tag, all of that. Really depends on what you want out of the experience.

The Spyder is great - I really like it, especially with the exhaust modifications I've made. Do I lust after the GT3 engine? Yes, but I would rather have it in the Spyder. That would be the best of all worlds.

But I can see the draw of the GT3, and of the "progression" up the chain, so to speak.

 

get both!

 

Problem SOLVED!!! Now what are we going to talk about?!

 

ah ... well ... h'mm ... errr... gosh ... ummm ...

 

the GT 3 and GT 4 are very very different cars. Love them both and drive them for different experience. The GT 3 is a performance monster. The engine is a high revving powerful beast. Mine is fitted with the PDK. Running that car through a series of curves and accelerating sections of road is exhilarating. The GT 4 is manual and tons of fun to play with on the right road. Enjoy the sport car dynamic of steering and shifting gears. Here is a real a:b comparison. On a back call it country road posted 45 mph, curve ahead sign 30 mph. Ok in the GT 4 smile and select second and pull that corner at 50-55, great fun. Ok take that same corner in the GT 3, look down and you peg 60-65 and that car whispers you are a wimp if that is all you ask……..the GT 3 is magic, the front end is unbelievable. The differences on track are well documented, a good driver in a GT 4 can be right with a 911 and faster than many drivers. The biggest difference is cost, a GT 4 at $125k, a GT 3 at market $250k. The real value difference is not 2x but that is todays market. I would advise start with the GT 4 if economics matter. gosh I love them both and it is a dilemma sometimes, which one to drive today?