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I want to do both at the same time. Yes PECLA has a 992GT3 but these are a dime a dozen in LA. I have only seen 1 GT4RS (a red one) in the wild here... though they are showing up a dealerships..
Ive driven both (at the 'Ring) the 3 is faster than the 4RS ... but you probably knew that already!
Also have a 718 GT4 and a 992 CS but couldn't disagree more, the GT4 is better than any 992 Carrera.
However, I definitely see a GT3 in my future but as an additional car. That and the GT4 are keepers.
You would be in the minority and even stating as much openly puts you in a 'special' category. The GT4 is the more fun car (until you start to push the 911 hard at its much further limit) and if thats your definition of 'better' thats great. But in no way is the GT4 the overall better car than the 992 - its not even close.
I’d say it boils down to personal preference. The “better” car depends on definition of “better”.
Personally I prefer mid engine and the smaller and more nimble feel of the GT4. I have owned three 911 (992, 991.1RS and 993), and 5 mid engine cars (Cayman R, two 981GT4, current 718GT4, Lambo). I’ve also had a C6 Z06 and SL55AMG (front engine RWD). For me: mid engine is best.
If your definition of “better” is 0-60 or lap times, the 911 might win. If your definition is a particular way it feels to you, then the Cayman can be the “better” car. I also love the lines of the GT4.
There is no right or wrong when it comes to personal preference. I say to each their own. And aren't we lucky to have amazing choices when it comes to engine placement, NA v turbo, RWD v AWD etc.
You would be in the minority and even stating as much openly puts you in a 'special' category. The GT4 is the more fun car (until you start to push the 911 hard at its much further limit) and if thats your definition of 'better' thats great. But in no way is the GT4 the overall better car than the 992 - its not even close.
Lol. what’s a “special category”
Both are great cars, The GT3 has close to an extra 100 horses and more effective aero so there’s that. The 992 GT3 also has the double wishbone front suspension which to my understanding is the first on a production 911.
As far as at the limit is performance is concerned, just because one car “feels” more stable doesn’t necessarily mean the limit is that different, although getting there may require certain skill sets. Lateral G and other handling data points between say the “wingless” 718 Spyder and 991.2 Speedster seem fairly close.
For fun on a back road or even non competitive track time, I don’t see how one car can be considered better than the other. The 992 GT3 is faster but I would say that has more to do with HP, aero and tire size than implied suspension improvements and faster is not directly equivalent to better. I would also imagine the 992 GT3 would be faster than a Singer 911 around most tracks but does that necessarily make it better?
While maybe not as steeped in racing heritage as the 911, there is a rich history of mid-engine Porsches from the 550 Spyder, 718 RSK, 917, Carrera GT, 918 Spyder. Even the GT1 while designated a 911 variant was midengine. Bottom line, no one should think any less of their 718 simply because it isn’t a 911. Don’t get me wrong, I love 911s. I would have forgone my preference for a drop top had a 992 GT3 been available at MSRP. Now on my second 718 Spyder, I have no regrets. It’s a phenomenal car and imho the prettiest open top production Porsche made.
I went from a 991.1 GT3 to a 981 GT4 to a 991.2 GT3 6 speed to a 991.2 GT3 PDK to my current 718 GT4 PDK. They each had their good points. I’ve never been able to use everything any of them had on offer. But I can get closer with the 718 GT4 which to me makes it the more entertaining car.
You can solve the sound "problem" pretty cheaply, IMO (assuming your local regs allow you to remove the GPFs): Soul OAPs and a VC: job done. Sounds pretty amazing.
I haven't had enough time in my 991.2 yet to totally understand it, but I can say that if money and parking space etc was no concern I'd happily have both a GT4 and a GT3 depending on what flavor I felt like driving on the day. The GT3 is objectively and subjectively better but the GT4 still has some brilliant points that are different from a 911.
On my first trackday at Spa I was 5 seconds quicker in the bone stock .2 than my well modified GT4 on stickier tires. And I already had the fastest GT4 lap (on youtube at least) by some margin. The power of the GT3 makes up a lot of time on the straights and the better gearing helps as well.
My main issue with the GT4 I suppose was that I had to sort of ruin it as a road car in order to get the performance I wanted on track. With about 465 HP at the crank my GT4 felt "right" power wise, but the only way to get that was a serious full exhaust system that was loud and droned. The stock GT3 was over 10 MPH quicker at the end of the long Kemmel straight still...
I do however expect the GT3 to gain less from a proper alignment/setup because, well, Porsche seem to have tried a little harder to get it right out of the box. However I won't know until after a visit to Manthey in spring. If there was a GT4 with the motorsport engine and a manual gearbox with GT3 ratios, and it looked more like a regular GT4 than a GT4 RS I'd have paid 991.2 GT3 money for that.
You would be in the minority and even stating as much openly puts you in a 'special' category. The GT4 is the more fun car (until you start to push the 911 hard at its much further limit) and if thats your definition of 'better' thats great. But in no way is the GT4 the overall better car than the 992 - its not even close.
Far from the minority as this very thread and countless professional reviewers would testify to, but don't let that get in the way of a good story.
Also have a 718 GT4 and a 992 CS but couldn't disagree more, the GT4 is better than any 992 Carrera.
However, I definitely see a GT3 in my future but as an additional car. That and the GT4 are keepers.
I disagree
I had a 718 GT4 and 992 C4S at the same time last year
My son came back to town for his wedding and had some friends around
I let them take both cars to drive around
they all favored the 992 over GT4 and that will be my personal opinion too
Turbo torque, quieter cabin, more comfortable spacious interior (sofas vs lwbs?), panache of 911 over "lesser" model...of course they liked the 911 better. Most people probably would.
I haven't had enough time in my 991.2 yet to totally understand it, but I can say that if money and parking space etc was no concern I'd happily have both a GT4 and a GT3 depending on what flavor I felt like driving on the day. The GT3 is objectively and subjectively better but the GT4 still has some brilliant points that are different from a 911.
On my first trackday at Spa I was 5 seconds quicker in the bone stock .2 than my well modified GT4 on stickier tires. And I already had the fastest GT4 lap (on youtube at least) by some margin. The power of the GT3 makes up a lot of time on the straights and the better gearing helps as well.
My main issue with the GT4 I suppose was that I had to sort of ruin it as a road car in order to get the performance I wanted on track. With about 465 HP at the crank my GT4 felt "right" power wise, but the only way to get that was a serious full exhaust system that was loud and droned. The stock GT3 was over 10 MPH quicker at the end of the long Kemmel straight still...
I do however expect the GT3 to gain less from a proper alignment/setup because, well, Porsche seem to have tried a little harder to get it right out of the box. However I won't know until after a visit to Manthey in spring. If there was a GT4 with the motorsport engine and a manual gearbox with GT3 ratios, and it looked more like a regular GT4 than a GT4 RS I'd have paid 991.2 GT3 money for that.
Anyone else a bit tired of the constant repetion (by a few known sycophants) of "<known aftermarket provider name here> completely obsoletes any factory gt4/spyder offering"?
A converted car is NOTHING LIKE a regular car. With the increased performance, it brings a ton of risk, usually a number of personality quirks, as well as the fact the car loses most of its open market value immediately. Of the niche set of people that want a GT car, a very niche niche set want a conversion GT car.
So stop already. Good for you. I am sure it is awesome. Enough with the drum beat that it is the obvious, better solution. For most people, it is not. I sure hope you get some return on all the pandering.
Note: This is in no way a critique of the vendor being discussed. I am sure they make an excellent product(s), of which I may indulge at some point (shorter gear set?). But a converted car is NOT a factory car, and to pretend it is a no-brainer upgrade without any downside is completely false / disingenuous.
If there was a GT4 with the motorsport engine and a manual gearbox with GT3 ratios, and it looked more like a regular GT4 than a GT4 RS I'd have paid 991.2 GT3 money for that.
Does this not describe the DeMan treatment of a GT4?
12-29-2022, 08:19 PM
