Are PCCBs worth it (Spyder for mostly street use)?
12-24-2022 | 01:57 PM
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Is there a part number on the PCCB pad that can be seen without removing them? Mine is a 2020 and I would like to compare to what you and others have.
12-24-2022 | 02:10 PM
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I have both a GT4 with steel brakes and a Spyder with PCCB's. PCCB's are 100% worth it unless the below are issues for you:
1. You track alot and will burn through the PCCB's leading to a costly replacement.
2. You want some fancy wheels like BBS E88's which will not clear PCCB's.
If you don't want either of the above then 100% get the PCCB's. They look much better than the steels since they fill in the wheel well, have no dust essentially and you won't have to replace them if you don't do any track driving.
1. You track alot and will burn through the PCCB's leading to a costly replacement.
2. You want some fancy wheels like BBS E88's which will not clear PCCB's.
If you don't want either of the above then 100% get the PCCB's. They look much better than the steels since they fill in the wheel well, have no dust essentially and you won't have to replace them if you don't do any track driving.
12-24-2022 | 02:22 PM
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That is a good question, I am not sure.
I have talked to Sun Coast before and there was a part# change for the 2121 model year. However some say that the GT4 PCCB pad is still not the copper free pad as the pad they are using is complaint thru 2024, others say it is the same copper free pad material used on the 992 GT3 PCCB's. Nothing really knows for sure, not even dealers.
That is why I am going to experiment this spring. I can tell you that from when I did a test drive of a 2020 with PCCB's when I started searching it felt stronger (from what I can remember) than my car does in braking. I see people posting on here all the time showing 1.3 to 1.4 G's braking forces, yet I have done some testing on my car, and have never seen anything over 1.26 braking G forces. I also do get a little (not a lot, but some) brake dust on my wheels and from what I understand the old pads didn't do that at all, which leads me to believe I may the new copper free pads.
12-24-2022 | 02:22 PM
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I have both a GT4 with steel brakes and a Spyder with PCCB's. PCCB's are 100% worth it unless the below are issues for you:
1. You track alot and will burn through the PCCB's leading to a costly replacement.
2. You want some fancy wheels like BBS E88's which will not clear PCCB's.
If you don't want either of the above then 100% get the PCCB's. They look much better than the steels since they fill in the wheel well, have no dust essentially and you won't have to replace them if you don't do any track driving.
1. You track alot and will burn through the PCCB's leading to a costly replacement.
2. You want some fancy wheels like BBS E88's which will not clear PCCB's.
If you don't want either of the above then 100% get the PCCB's. They look much better than the steels since they fill in the wheel well, have no dust essentially and you won't have to replace them if you don't do any track driving.
12-24-2022 | 03:23 PM
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12-24-2022 | 05:22 PM
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I have both a GT4 with steel brakes and a Spyder with PCCB's. PCCB's are 100% worth it unless the below are issues for you:
1. You track alot and will burn through the PCCB's leading to a costly replacement.
2. You want some fancy wheels like BBS E88's which will not clear PCCB's.
If you don't want either of the above then 100% get the PCCB's. They look much better than the steels since they fill in the wheel well, have no dust essentially and you won't have to replace them if you don't do any track driving.
1. You track alot and will burn through the PCCB's leading to a costly replacement.
2. You want some fancy wheels like BBS E88's which will not clear PCCB's.
If you don't want either of the above then 100% get the PCCB's. They look much better than the steels since they fill in the wheel well, have no dust essentially and you won't have to replace them if you don't do any track driving.
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12-24-2022 | 05:25 PM
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12-24-2022 | 08:00 PM
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Yes, I know, it is a never-ending debate; trust me, I read literally hundreds of posts on the 911 forums about the subject. The fact so many opposes to PCCBs actually left me even more confused.
It is my first Porsche and my first "serious" sports car (had a Giulia QV and a Miata ND before that), and I was hoping for this great community to help me make the "smartest" decision for my case\needs.
If I go for the PCCBs - my build is super easy, Chalk with Platinum wheels, yellow stitching package&seat-belts, and... done? And I can stop wasting hours in the Porsche configurator until my lock date
The things I care about the most are looks, brake dust, and brake feel.
I read a lot about rotating weight and unsprung mass - but I doubt I am a good enough driver to notice the difference. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Two things stopping me from just checking this option - the initial cost and the worry of the cost to replace in case they get damaged.
This is a very expensive toy that I genuinely plan to keep forever (hopefully, but I am also a logical person who understands **** happens).
I don't want to have any regrets on one hand, but I also don't want to burn $9k (with tax) for yellow calipers and slightly less dust.
I also don't want to find myself replacing super expensive rotors left and right.
How common are PCCBs getting damaged? Are they fixable? Can I replace just one rotor?
An unpopular option would be just to paint the steel calipers yellow and ignore the little voice that says it is a blasphemy.
My use case would be around 4k miles with (maybe) one or two track days a year.
Would appreciate your thoughts.
It is my first Porsche and my first "serious" sports car (had a Giulia QV and a Miata ND before that), and I was hoping for this great community to help me make the "smartest" decision for my case\needs.
If I go for the PCCBs - my build is super easy, Chalk with Platinum wheels, yellow stitching package&seat-belts, and... done? And I can stop wasting hours in the Porsche configurator until my lock date
The things I care about the most are looks, brake dust, and brake feel.
I read a lot about rotating weight and unsprung mass - but I doubt I am a good enough driver to notice the difference. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Two things stopping me from just checking this option - the initial cost and the worry of the cost to replace in case they get damaged.
This is a very expensive toy that I genuinely plan to keep forever (hopefully, but I am also a logical person who understands **** happens).
I don't want to have any regrets on one hand, but I also don't want to burn $9k (with tax) for yellow calipers and slightly less dust.
I also don't want to find myself replacing super expensive rotors left and right.
How common are PCCBs getting damaged? Are they fixable? Can I replace just one rotor?
An unpopular option would be just to paint the steel calipers yellow and ignore the little voice that says it is a blasphemy.
My use case would be around 4k miles with (maybe) one or two track days a year.
Would appreciate your thoughts.
I had an April 23 build slot for a Spyder. No PCCB’s and no Sport Buckets are available. SA said also goes for GT3’s and 3RS’s for now.
01-04-2023 | 12:49 PM
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Hey Guys, little late to this thread but just wanted to mention that if you aren't happy with your current OE PCCB pads, I would recommend the Pagid RSC1 compound. I have these in stock for the 718 GT4/RS/Spyder. Better modulation and less dust than the new formula Porsche is offering.
Also, for those who want PCCB and can't get them, Surface Transforms Upgrade (Red Calipers) and Replacement (Yellow Calipers) kits are available. Better than PCCB discs in literally every metric. Last longer, run cooler, refurbishable, lighter, larger pad selection, etc... all for half the cost of new PCCB discs...
Also, for those who want PCCB and can't get them, Surface Transforms Upgrade (Red Calipers) and Replacement (Yellow Calipers) kits are available. Better than PCCB discs in literally every metric. Last longer, run cooler, refurbishable, lighter, larger pad selection, etc... all for half the cost of new PCCB discs...
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01-04-2023 | 01:32 PM
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PCCB not available during my build. I wanted them because my Spyder was for street only - life time deal. If you plan to track your car (even just twice a year), be prepared to replace the PCCB at some point and that will be very expensive. I would say, get the PCCB but only if you plan not to track it.
01-04-2023 | 01:35 PM
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PCCB not available during my build. I wanted them because my Spyder was for street only - life time deal. If you plan to track your car (even just twice a year), be prepared to replace the PCCB at some point and that will be very expensive. I would say, get the PCCB but only if you plan not to track it.