GT4RS Mark Ups
09-20-2022, 11:35 PM
#46
I know there’s a lot of folks here that can predict the future with their crystal *****, so here’s what mine says: The GT4RSs will be in short supply from now until eternity and the $75K ADM (average from what I hear) may drop a bit, or not, over the next year or 2 and then inflate. My crystal ball tell me that my GT4RS will shoot up to $200K over MSRP in 2024 or 2025. I give kudos to those who can time the market bottom, your prescience makes Warren Buffet look like a retail trader.
I think this car has a special place in Porsche history and is perfect for car guys like me who are more “car model” oriented rather than “car brand” enthusiasts. I like all Porsches, but the only model I would spend my money on are the Cayman derivatives. If I had a choice between the GT3RS or GT4RS at the same money, I’d take the GT4RS. God meant the engine to be in the middle.
It’s your money, you don’t have to spend $275K on a Cayman, but I guarantee when I sell mine, I’ll be in the black. My crystal ball just told me so.
I think this car has a special place in Porsche history and is perfect for car guys like me who are more “car model” oriented rather than “car brand” enthusiasts. I like all Porsches, but the only model I would spend my money on are the Cayman derivatives. If I had a choice between the GT3RS or GT4RS at the same money, I’d take the GT4RS. God meant the engine to be in the middle.
It’s your money, you don’t have to spend $275K on a Cayman, but I guarantee when I sell mine, I’ll be in the black. My crystal ball just told me so.
09-20-2022, 11:51 PM
#47
I know there’s a lot of folks here that can predict the future with their crystal *****, so here’s what mine says: The GT4RSs will be in short supply from now until eternity and the $75K ADM (average from what I hear) may drop a bit, or not, over the next year or 2 and then inflate. My crystal ball tell me that my GT4RS will shoot up to $200K over MSRP in 2024 or 2025. I give kudos to those who can time the market bottom, your prescience makes Warren Buffet look like a retail trader.
I think this car has a special place in Porsche history and is perfect for car guys like me who are more “car model” oriented rather than “car brand” enthusiasts. I like all Porsches, but the only model I would spend my money on are the Cayman derivatives. If I had a choice between the GT3RS or GT4RS at the same money, I’d take the GT4RS. God meant the engine to be in the middle.
It’s your money, you don’t have to spend $275K on a Cayman, but I guarantee when I sell mine, I’ll be in the black. My crystal ball just told me so.
I think this car has a special place in Porsche history and is perfect for car guys like me who are more “car model” oriented rather than “car brand” enthusiasts. I like all Porsches, but the only model I would spend my money on are the Cayman derivatives. If I had a choice between the GT3RS or GT4RS at the same money, I’d take the GT4RS. God meant the engine to be in the middle.
It’s your money, you don’t have to spend $275K on a Cayman, but I guarantee when I sell mine, I’ll be in the black. My crystal ball just told me so.
09-21-2022, 01:29 AM
#48
Burning Brakes
I know there’s a lot of folks here that can predict the future with their crystal *****, so here’s what mine says: The GT4RSs will be in short supply from now until eternity and the $75K ADM (average from what I hear) may drop a bit, or not, over the next year or 2 and then inflate. My crystal ball tell me that my GT4RS will shoot up to $200K over MSRP in 2024 or 2025. I give kudos to those who can time the market bottom, your prescience makes Warren Buffet look like a retail trader.
I think this car has a special place in Porsche history and is perfect for car guys like me who are more “car model” oriented rather than “car brand” enthusiasts. I like all Porsches, but the only model I would spend my money on are the Cayman derivatives. If I had a choice between the GT3RS or GT4RS at the same money, I’d take the GT4RS. God meant the engine to be in the middle.
It’s your money, you don’t have to spend $275K on a Cayman, but I guarantee when I sell mine, I’ll be in the black. My crystal ball just told me so.
I think this car has a special place in Porsche history and is perfect for car guys like me who are more “car model” oriented rather than “car brand” enthusiasts. I like all Porsches, but the only model I would spend my money on are the Cayman derivatives. If I had a choice between the GT3RS or GT4RS at the same money, I’d take the GT4RS. God meant the engine to be in the middle.
It’s your money, you don’t have to spend $275K on a Cayman, but I guarantee when I sell mine, I’ll be in the black. My crystal ball just told me so.
I mean bragging your gonna be “in the black” on a depreciating asset is Cringe
good luck to you sir, I feel like you will need it
09-21-2022, 01:49 AM
#49
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In all honesty the GT cars do carry massive margins, much more than a macan EV that is not out yet. So what was I going to do? Argue with him on a point he seems lost on? Margins on those will probably be similar to say a normal macan, mush less than the high end 911's.
200k GT3's are making them fat Ferrari margins, so will 180k GT4rs's...
If they will produce 100k cars in a given year, it would be smart to produce the ones that make the more money. This is not rocket science
200k GT3's are making them fat Ferrari margins, so will 180k GT4rs's...
If they will produce 100k cars in a given year, it would be smart to produce the ones that make the more money. This is not rocket science
09-21-2022, 07:11 AM
#50
Advanced
This clearly is a very first world problem BUT the thing I find the most annoying is the factory are complicit in all of this!! There is a full sticker price for a reason. The dealer has margin in that and that's it..None of this 100k crap on top. Man alive these main dealers must be rolling in it!!
Clearly they have a captive audience as people are paying their extortionate prices.
I'd have a pre loved GT3 RS on every day of the week instead... I'd even slum it back to 2016...lol
Clearly they have a captive audience as people are paying their extortionate prices.
I'd have a pre loved GT3 RS on every day of the week instead... I'd even slum it back to 2016...lol
09-21-2022, 11:41 AM
#51
Drifting
09-21-2022, 12:19 PM
#52
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I know there’s a lot of folks here that can predict the future with their crystal *****, so here’s what mine says: The GT4RSs will be in short supply from now until eternity and the $75K ADM (average from what I hear) may drop a bit, or not, over the next year or 2 and then inflate. My crystal ball tell me that my GT4RS will shoot up to $200K over MSRP in 2024 or 2025. I give kudos to those who can time the market bottom, your prescience makes Warren Buffet look like a retail trader.
I think this car has a special place in Porsche history and is perfect for car guys like me who are more “car model” oriented rather than “car brand” enthusiasts. I like all Porsches, but the only model I would spend my money on are the Cayman derivatives. If I had a choice between the GT3RS or GT4RS at the same money, I’d take the GT4RS. God meant the engine to be in the middle.
It’s your money, you don’t have to spend $275K on a Cayman, but I guarantee when I sell mine, I’ll be in the black. My crystal ball just told me so.
I think this car has a special place in Porsche history and is perfect for car guys like me who are more “car model” oriented rather than “car brand” enthusiasts. I like all Porsches, but the only model I would spend my money on are the Cayman derivatives. If I had a choice between the GT3RS or GT4RS at the same money, I’d take the GT4RS. God meant the engine to be in the middle.
It’s your money, you don’t have to spend $275K on a Cayman, but I guarantee when I sell mine, I’ll be in the black. My crystal ball just told me so.
Let me get this straight....you've never owned a GT3RS and never driven a GT4RS for that matter, correct?
Secondly...how is a GT4RS better meant for a 'car model oriented person' like yourself vs. brand oriented person such as me?
Yes, I'm confident to have more seat time in a GT car than your limited GT4 timeframe.
09-21-2022, 02:34 PM
#53
Hard to take your crystal ball seriously.....and obviously biased.
Let me get this straight....you've never owned a GT3RS and never driven a GT4RS for that matter, correct?
Secondly...how is a GT4RS better meant for a 'car model oriented person' like yourself vs. brand oriented person such as me?
Yes, I'm confident to have more seat time in a GT car than your limited GT4 timeframe.
Let me get this straight....you've never owned a GT3RS and never driven a GT4RS for that matter, correct?
Secondly...how is a GT4RS better meant for a 'car model oriented person' like yourself vs. brand oriented person such as me?
Yes, I'm confident to have more seat time in a GT car than your limited GT4 timeframe.
09-21-2022, 02:36 PM
#54
09-21-2022, 04:13 PM
#55
Drifting
If Porsche is making more profit per unit off a base macan than a GT2RS they're cooking the books because they average 20g a unit profit and they're not making 20g off a base macan. Other German manufacturers average around 6g per unit profit selling competition for base macans.
09-22-2022, 12:33 AM
#56
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I'm willing to bet your data is old, real old, probably from 997s or something.
If Porsche is making more profit per unit off a base macan than a GT2RS they're cooking the books because they average 20g a unit profit and they're not making 20g off a base macan. Other German manufacturers average around 6g per unit profit selling competition for base macans.
If Porsche is making more profit per unit off a base macan than a GT2RS they're cooking the books because they average 20g a unit profit and they're not making 20g off a base macan. Other German manufacturers average around 6g per unit profit selling competition for base macans.
I'm just telling you the facts.
09-22-2022, 12:51 AM
#57
Margin is usually expressed as a percentage AFAIK. So, by that definition, GT cars can have a lower profit margin but yet bring in a higher profit $ amount.
09-22-2022, 08:35 AM
#58
Also, the expected warranty claims would need to be part of the equation for evaluating actual profit.
I had my transmission replaced, which was about a 35k claim. I bet Macans don’t have claims like that too often.
I had my transmission replaced, which was about a 35k claim. I bet Macans don’t have claims like that too often.
09-22-2022, 11:51 AM
#59
But the real evaluator is number of cars * profit per car. People may not like it, but the demand for a Macan is tons higher than a 4RS.
09-22-2022, 01:56 PM
#60
Porsche plans on building 7000 GT4RS, they can produce and sell this engine until 2026 translation they can/will keep selling the gt4RS for 1 or2 year overlap with the electric Cayman. Porsche overlapped 997.2 gts and turbos with 991 model year and 991.1 turbos with 991.2 etc etc They have a strong history of overlapping generation models. My guess is gt4rs will be avail without ADM before they reach 7000K production run. the gt4RS is so loud it's never going to be a daily driver, people will develop hearing loss and tinnitus from daily driving. 
I have tinnitus from seeing too much live music it's no fun even though the live music was a blast. If they are building 7k gt4rs how many GT3RS will they build?
here are the sources for the 7000k gt4rs
https://www.autodaily.com.au/2022-po...gt4-rs-review/
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsch...rs-2022-review
I have tinnitus from seeing too much live music it's no fun even though the live music was a blast. If they are building 7k gt4rs how many GT3RS will they build? here are the sources for the 7000k gt4rs
https://www.autodaily.com.au/2022-po...gt4-rs-review/
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/porsch...rs-2022-review