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Old 08-10-2022, 03:30 AM
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Default GTS wheel alignment

I had wheel alignment done some weeks ago and thought I'd share the results to those who are interested. This was after new PS4S tires were fitted after I tossed the smaller factory PZero's.

Also shows that factory alignment isn't necessarily correct, and may be worth getting alignment on a new car.


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They can do a lot better on the front. I would not have accepted that.
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Originally Posted by ExMB
They can do a lot better on the front. I would not have accepted that.
Not on a GTS with SPASM. Fronts typically max out around -1.4 without camber plates
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Not on a GTS with SPASM. Fronts typically max out around -1.4 without camber plates
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Ahhh, so get it changed to even on both sides? 0.3 makes a difference?. I don't notice it pulling right under braking.
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Originally Posted by RoadrunnerGTS
Ahhh, so get it changed to even on both sides? 0.3 makes a difference? I don't notice it pulling right under braking.
The car will typically drive straight and steer correctly with a camber difference side-to-side, but you won't have as much grip on left-hand turns due to the lack of camber. It's front toe that typically causes the car to not steer straight and rear toe that affects the car under braking the most.

I would definitely take the car back and tell them you want everything matched side-to-side with your weight in the driver's seat (most places will typically do the alignment with 175lbs in the driver's seat) and half a tank of fuel (you'll want to manage this ahead of dropping the car off).

If you're ok slightly wearing out the inside of your rear tires to get significantly better stability under hard braking I'd also go for an absolute minimum of 2mm rear toe-in (or 2.5mm for medium track duty and 3mm for heavy track duty). You can see the range in the shop's report even specs up to 2.8mm. You can read more about why this matters here.

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Originally Posted by aarodynamics
The car will typically drive straight and steer correctly with a camber difference side-to-side, but you won't have as much grip on left-hand turns due to the lack of camber. It's front toe that typically causes the car to not steer straight and rear toe that affects the car under braking the most.

I would definitely take the car back and tell them you want everything matched side-to-side with your weight in the driver's seat (most places will typically do the alignment with 175lbs in the driver's seat) and half a tank of fuel (you'll want to manage this ahead of dropping the car off).

If you're ok slightly wearing out the inside of your rear tires to get significantly better stability under hard braking I'd also go for an absolute minimum of 2mm rear toe-in (or 2.5mm for medium track duty and 3mm for heavy track duty). You can see the range in the shop's report even specs up to 2.8mm. You can read more about why this matters here.
Thanks for advise. I'm not great with suspension.

I'm not heavy track duty, those cars and days are long gone More mountains and 4-5 fun track days per year.

Took back today for alignment. They couldn't get more from front right, so told them to bring left back in.




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@RoadrunnerGTS That's much better, but I'd still typically want to see a minimum of 2mm rear toe-in and the rear camber front/rear to be closer (within 0.2deg when front has less than rear). Honestly though, there's no perfect alignment for every situation so the most important thing is that it feels good to you and that you can still perform emergency maneuvers confidently.
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The one thing regarding alignment is WHAT are you trying t accomplish. That is the starting point and NOT maxing it out.
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Originally Posted by ExMB
The one thing regarding alignment is WHAT are you trying t accomplish. That is the starting point and NOT maxing it out.
Agreed. For me it was checking factory specs after changing tires, then as much negative camber up front to save my tires on my occasional track days. Priority is street and canyons, track secondary. Its a GTS after all, not a GT4

Thanks for the advice !

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This is mine set up for moderate fast road
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Originally Posted by RoadrunnerGTS
Thanks for advise. I'm not great with suspension.

I'm not heavy track duty, those cars and days are long gone More mountains and 4-5 fun track days per year.

Took back today for alignment. They couldn't get more from front right, so told them to bring left back in.

@RoadrunnerGTS Did you get to this result with the alignment only or have did you have to have aftermarket parts (e.g., rear toe links) installed? Thanks!
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Originally Posted by axoo
@RoadrunnerGTS Did you get to this result with the alignment only or have did you have to have aftermarket parts (e.g., rear toe links) installed? Thanks!
Full OEM, no aftermarket other than 7mm spacers and 245/295 tires, which shouldn't make any difference.
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Originally Posted by RoadrunnerGTS
Full OEM, no aftermarket other than 7mm spacers and 245/295 tires, which shouldn't make any difference.
Appreciate the prompt response. Thanks!
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So if car is a bit tail happy, what would guru's on here recommend changing on this alignment?




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