Comparison: Soul OAP+VC versus JCR Silenced Valved Exhaust w/ Stock OAPs
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Curious what you mean about not waiting for the JCR silenced OAP. It's my understanding that they are available: https://jcr-developments.com/product...ipes-race-cats
I have the Soul resonated OAP along with the JCR silenced rear section. Although the resonated OAP did somewhat reduce the low-mid RPM drone, it was not enough in my opinion. It also has an odd hollow like sound in that RPM region, which I don't particularly like and don't remember experiencing when I had the Fabspeed OAP, although that configuration was a bit over the top in overall volume. I'm now considering either going back to the stock OAP and retaining the JCR rear section, or trying the JCR silenced OAP. I still hope to find a setup that has a more pleasing, less droney sound at low-mid RPM, while allowing that glorious high pitched sound at higher RPMs.
I have the Soul resonated OAP along with the JCR silenced rear section. Although the resonated OAP did somewhat reduce the low-mid RPM drone, it was not enough in my opinion. It also has an odd hollow like sound in that RPM region, which I don't particularly like and don't remember experiencing when I had the Fabspeed OAP, although that configuration was a bit over the top in overall volume. I'm now considering either going back to the stock OAP and retaining the JCR rear section, or trying the JCR silenced OAP. I still hope to find a setup that has a more pleasing, less droney sound at low-mid RPM, while allowing that glorious high pitched sound at higher RPMs.
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Of all the combinations I've tried, the best compromise has been the stock OAP's with the JCR rear section. I do wish it had a little more volume and intensity at high RPM, but it is much better than with the stock rear section, and keeps the drone under control. The JCR with the Fabspeed OAP was the most exotic sounding, but just was too much, especially in the drone area between 2 and 4k RPM. The Soul resonated OAP's did reduce drone a bit, but not nearly enough for me, and added an odd hollow-ish sound that I don't like. I would try the JCR silenced OAP's, but getting tired of trying so many combinations, and don't really want to spend another 4k just to try it. So it looks like I'm going back to the stock OAP's, which with the JCR rear section is a good compromise. Of course YMMV.
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'Gridlock' that is
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Of all the combinations I've tried, the best compromise has been the stock OAP's with the JCR rear section. I do wish it had a little more volume and intensity at high RPM, but it is much better than with the stock rear section, and keeps the drone under control. The JCR with the Fabspeed OAP was the most exotic sounding, but just was too much, especially in the drone area between 2 and 4k RPM. The Soul resonated OAP's did reduce drone a bit, but not nearly enough for me, and added an odd hollow-ish sound that I don't like. I would try the JCR silenced OAP's, but getting tired of trying so many combinations, and don't really want to spend another 4k just to try it. So it looks like I'm going back to the stock OAP's, which with the JCR rear section is a good compromise. Of course YMMV.
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Of all the combinations I've tried, the best compromise has been the stock OAP's with the JCR rear section. I do wish it had a little more volume and intensity at high RPM, but it is much better than with the stock rear section, and keeps the drone under control. The JCR with the Fabspeed OAP was the most exotic sounding, but just was too much, especially in the drone area between 2 and 4k RPM. The Soul resonated OAP's did reduce drone a bit, but not nearly enough for me, and added an odd hollow-ish sound that I don't like. I would try the JCR silenced OAP's, but getting tired of trying so many combinations, and don't really want to spend another 4k just to try it. So it looks like I'm going back to the stock OAP's, which with the JCR rear section is a good compromise. Of course YMMV.
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It has been nearly 3 years now with this configuration and I have no desire to tame the 4.0l beast!
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I too ran this setup on my Spyder until the Akra Link-pipes were delivered, in that configuration it sounded awesome, really no more drone than the stock system, but a beautiful exotic sounding exhaust. The only thing I wanted more of was the intensity and volume, the Akra Link-pipes gave this but also brought in the drone.
So its not for everybody.
It has been nearly 3 years now with this configuration and I have no desire to tame the 4.0l beast!![Big Grin](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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It has been nearly 3 years now with this configuration and I have no desire to tame the 4.0l beast!
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Originally Posted by tigerhonaker
My opinion is you will really like the SOUL ceramic coated OAP.
I have it on my 2021 GT4 W/PDK and it sounds Awesome !!!
My opinion is you will really like the SOUL ceramic coated OAP.
I have it on my 2021 GT4 W/PDK and it sounds Awesome !!!
I have not tried the JCR rear section.
I do have the SOUL ceramic coated OAP, SOUL rear-valved-muffler, SOUL sound symposer delete & Cargraphics valve controller.
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The OP here. I tried 4 different combinations of OAPs with the JCR Silenced Exhaust.
(1) JCR Silenced Exhaust with Stock OAPs (with a Cayman GTS 4.0 in 2021). Too quiet. Also, lacks the extra "Pull" (HP/Torque) you get with the JCR plus some freer flowing OAPs. Once you experience it, you can't go back to stock OAPs and lose it. It is a very noticeable difference.
(2) JCR Silenced with the Soul regular straight through OAPs (with the same Cayman GTS 4.0). Sounded great, louder and more rowdy, great additional Pull, but the Drone/Boominess was completely unbearable, for me. In the usual troubled RPMs, I think 1800 to 2400 and again in the high two thousands and again in the three thousands somewhere, I can't recall the exact ranges, go back and look here if you want to know exactly. The Drone/Boominess was bad enough that I went back to stock OAPs within a couple of weeks. But then I was really upset that I lost that awesome extra power/pull. Most noticeable above 6K rpm in 2nd and 3rd. So then I went looking for another solution.
(3) JCR Silenced with the Cargraphic High Flow Filter OAPs (with the same Cayman GTS 4.0). This was the goldilocks solution! Had that extra pull, the exhaust was loud enough and sounded great, and the Drone/Boominess was a lot less than with the wide open OAPs! I recommend this solution with the JCR Exhaust with a hardtop, Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4.
(I happen to still have that set of CG HFF OAPs for sale in the marketplace. In my Boxster 25 part-out listing.)
I then went from the Cayman GTS 4.0 to the Boxster 25, and started with the #3 setup above, and it was great again.
(4) Soul had come out with their Resonated OAPs, so I thought I would try those with the JCR Silenced Exhaust. That combination was good for a Boxster, but I don't know that it would be good for a Cayman or GT4, I think the CG HFF ones would be better. In the Boxster it did sound a little more aggressive, but it did create a little more Drone/Boominess - it was tolerable in a Boxster with the soft top, but I think it would be too much Drone/Boominess for a Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4.
In my GT4, I did the Kline without Headers and later added Headers and a Tune. I had previously also tried the Kline in the Cayman GTS 4.0, both times in Inconel. The Kline has the least Drone/Boominess, but the JCR does sound more Motorsport, more ballistic, when paired with an aftermarket OAP.
(1) JCR Silenced Exhaust with Stock OAPs (with a Cayman GTS 4.0 in 2021). Too quiet. Also, lacks the extra "Pull" (HP/Torque) you get with the JCR plus some freer flowing OAPs. Once you experience it, you can't go back to stock OAPs and lose it. It is a very noticeable difference.
(2) JCR Silenced with the Soul regular straight through OAPs (with the same Cayman GTS 4.0). Sounded great, louder and more rowdy, great additional Pull, but the Drone/Boominess was completely unbearable, for me. In the usual troubled RPMs, I think 1800 to 2400 and again in the high two thousands and again in the three thousands somewhere, I can't recall the exact ranges, go back and look here if you want to know exactly. The Drone/Boominess was bad enough that I went back to stock OAPs within a couple of weeks. But then I was really upset that I lost that awesome extra power/pull. Most noticeable above 6K rpm in 2nd and 3rd. So then I went looking for another solution.
(3) JCR Silenced with the Cargraphic High Flow Filter OAPs (with the same Cayman GTS 4.0). This was the goldilocks solution! Had that extra pull, the exhaust was loud enough and sounded great, and the Drone/Boominess was a lot less than with the wide open OAPs! I recommend this solution with the JCR Exhaust with a hardtop, Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4.
(I happen to still have that set of CG HFF OAPs for sale in the marketplace. In my Boxster 25 part-out listing.)
I then went from the Cayman GTS 4.0 to the Boxster 25, and started with the #3 setup above, and it was great again.
(4) Soul had come out with their Resonated OAPs, so I thought I would try those with the JCR Silenced Exhaust. That combination was good for a Boxster, but I don't know that it would be good for a Cayman or GT4, I think the CG HFF ones would be better. In the Boxster it did sound a little more aggressive, but it did create a little more Drone/Boominess - it was tolerable in a Boxster with the soft top, but I think it would be too much Drone/Boominess for a Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4.
In my GT4, I did the Kline without Headers and later added Headers and a Tune. I had previously also tried the Kline in the Cayman GTS 4.0, both times in Inconel. The Kline has the least Drone/Boominess, but the JCR does sound more Motorsport, more ballistic, when paired with an aftermarket OAP.
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The OP here. I tried 4 different combinations of OAPs with the JCR Silenced Exhaust.
(1) JCR Silenced Exhaust with Stock OAPs (with a Cayman GTS 4.0 in 2021). Too quiet. Also, lacks the extra "Pull" (HP/Torque) you get with the JCR plus some freer flowing OAPs. Once you experience it, you can't go back to stock OAPs and lose it. It is a very noticeable difference.
(2) JCR Silenced with the Soul regular straight through OAPs (with the same Cayman GTS 4.0). Sounded great, louder and more rowdy, great additional Pull, but the Drone/Boominess was completely unbearable, for me. In the usual troubled RPMs, I think 1800 to 2400 and again in the high two thousands and again in the three thousands somewhere, I can't recall the exact ranges, go back and look here if you want to know exactly. The Drone/Boominess was bad enough that I went back to stock OAPs within a couple of weeks. But then I was really upset that I lost that awesome extra power/pull. Most noticeable above 6K rpm in 2nd and 3rd. So then I went looking for another solution.
(3) JCR Silenced with the Cargraphic High Flow Filter OAPs (with the same Cayman GTS 4.0). This was the goldilocks solution! Had that extra pull, the exhaust was loud enough and sounded great, and the Drone/Boominess was a lot less than with the wide open OAPs! I recommend this solution with the JCR Exhaust with a hardtop, Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4.
(I happen to still have that set of CG HFF OAPs for sale in the marketplace. In my Boxster 25 part-out listing.)
I then went from the Cayman GTS 4.0 to the Boxster 25, and started with the #3 setup above, and it was great again.
(4) Soul had come out with their Resonated OAPs, so I thought I would try those with the JCR Silenced Exhaust. That combination was good for a Boxster, but I don't know that it would be good for a Cayman or GT4, I think the CG HFF ones would be better. In the Boxster it did sound a little more aggressive, but it did create a little more Drone/Boominess - it was tolerable in a Boxster with the soft top, but I think it would be too much Drone/Boominess for a Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4.
In my GT4, I did the Kline without Headers and later added Headers and a Tune. I had previously also tried the Kline in the Cayman GTS 4.0, both times in Inconel. The Kline has the least Drone/Boominess, but the JCR does sound more Motorsport, more ballistic, when paired with an aftermarket OAP.
(1) JCR Silenced Exhaust with Stock OAPs (with a Cayman GTS 4.0 in 2021). Too quiet. Also, lacks the extra "Pull" (HP/Torque) you get with the JCR plus some freer flowing OAPs. Once you experience it, you can't go back to stock OAPs and lose it. It is a very noticeable difference.
(2) JCR Silenced with the Soul regular straight through OAPs (with the same Cayman GTS 4.0). Sounded great, louder and more rowdy, great additional Pull, but the Drone/Boominess was completely unbearable, for me. In the usual troubled RPMs, I think 1800 to 2400 and again in the high two thousands and again in the three thousands somewhere, I can't recall the exact ranges, go back and look here if you want to know exactly. The Drone/Boominess was bad enough that I went back to stock OAPs within a couple of weeks. But then I was really upset that I lost that awesome extra power/pull. Most noticeable above 6K rpm in 2nd and 3rd. So then I went looking for another solution.
(3) JCR Silenced with the Cargraphic High Flow Filter OAPs (with the same Cayman GTS 4.0). This was the goldilocks solution! Had that extra pull, the exhaust was loud enough and sounded great, and the Drone/Boominess was a lot less than with the wide open OAPs! I recommend this solution with the JCR Exhaust with a hardtop, Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4.
(I happen to still have that set of CG HFF OAPs for sale in the marketplace. In my Boxster 25 part-out listing.)
I then went from the Cayman GTS 4.0 to the Boxster 25, and started with the #3 setup above, and it was great again.
(4) Soul had come out with their Resonated OAPs, so I thought I would try those with the JCR Silenced Exhaust. That combination was good for a Boxster, but I don't know that it would be good for a Cayman or GT4, I think the CG HFF ones would be better. In the Boxster it did sound a little more aggressive, but it did create a little more Drone/Boominess - it was tolerable in a Boxster with the soft top, but I think it would be too much Drone/Boominess for a Cayman GTS 4.0 or GT4.
In my GT4, I did the Kline without Headers and later added Headers and a Tune. I had previously also tried the Kline in the Cayman GTS 4.0, both times in Inconel. The Kline has the least Drone/Boominess, but the JCR does sound more Motorsport, more ballistic, when paired with an aftermarket OAP.
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I was just catching up on all the new responses on this thread. I'm glad Pete came back to post, but I was also going to say the same thing. The Cargraphics will be what you want, as it is the closest combination to the factory given it has the material, and doesn't have the wide open pass through that the Soul/Akra have. I know you were looking at the Flat-6 ones as well mprog, I'm sure they will sound not far off of the Soul's in that respect. I was going to go the CG Hi Flow route until I just went full send
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