Adrift

Don’t mess with us that way. lol Not cool.

n4v4nod

Under your logic the SRS wouldn't be an RS then.

AndrewLakes

​​​​​​Since the Spyder RS 60 was named 60 for 1960, and RS 61 for 1961, maybe this SRS will double as 24 hours of le mans homage and 2024 model year as the Spyder RS 24.

skafia

2024 Porsche 718 GT4 Spyder RS 24

shut up and take my money

Westcoast

TBH, I really don't care what they call it as long as it comes with that manual transmission!

skafia

What would it take for a manual transmission in the GT4RS / Spyder? Would a GT3 transmission work with a lot of modification? Would a beefed up GT4 transmission work or would they have to make a brand new 6 speed just for this limited run?

arek

I agree it’s weird for a Porsche but I meant kind of like other manufacturers add Spyder/Spider to the name when they make an open-top version, especially with Spyder RS reusing a lot from GT4 RS.

Porsche, put us out of our misery already

Westcoast

I think that Porsche can do it, as long as the bolt pattern for the transmission in the rear of the GT3 engine is same as the 4.0l 9A2 engine then I could see the regular GT4/Spyder manual transmission bolting up without any mods required. This transmission is what DeMan is using behind 565HP/450 ft/lb beasts, sure they do the gear ratio in that transmission but then so could Porsche. And that would actually be a good thing, they changed the ratios with the PDK in the GT4 RS, so why not the 6-speed for the Spyder RS? The manual transmission out of a GT3 would require more changes as it is oriented in the opposite way so the internals are all wrong.

I don't believe they 'need' to develop a 'new' 6-speed for this project, heck wasn't the rumor that the 'red SRS' was presented to the board with a 6-speed already in place as a proof of concept?

To those that don't want a 6-speed, I get it, for those of us that do, its a 'thing' and in the end Porsche will make the decision on what they offer, I for one hope they do because choice is a good thing!

worf928

MT for 718 Boxster GT4 Spyder RS Cabriolet Dakar Exclusive: It’s all about the torque. Existing bag in the 718 is limited to 309 ft-lbs. If someone has a torque curve for the 9k-rpm 4.0 beast post it. That will tell us if it may happen.

Westcoast

IMHO that is what everybody says because that is the torque spec of the 4.0l manual transmission car's engine... "In the GT4 RS, this high-revving, naturally aspirated, dry-sump flat-six makes 493 horsepower at 8400 rpm and 331 pound-feet of torque at 6250 revs", a massive 22 ft/lbs different!

Yet in the Deman cars this same manual transmission is being subjected to about 450 ft/lbs...

worf928

Yeah. So I knew someone would throw out DeMan. You: like a sniper in a blind waiting for prey.

First, 309 ft-lbs is also the max twist for the 2.5 S, 2.5 GTS *and* the 4.0. Guess why? ‘cause Porsche made it that way. Why? We don’t know. Speculation - perhaps very-informed speculation, or not - is that Audi won’t warrant/agree/allow that bag in an application with more than 309 ft-lbs.

Deman is not Audi. Deman has neither VAG/PAG’s warranty attack surface nor a floor or two full of lawyer-types worried about regulations, liabilities, etc. They don’t have a marketing department requiring specific performance numbers at each price point. Deman doesn’t have warehouse’s full of beancounters, auditors, union reps, etc. Now… whether or not Deman applies various ‘tricks’ to the bag’s bits when it’s apart in order to strengthen it, I don’t know. But they could.

Strength of the Audi Bag notwithstanding, PAG could limit the Beast 4.0’s torque to 309, from 331, for the SRS, throw in the MT, without a big decrease, if any, in the peak HP number with, worst case, some trivial-ish tweaks to the hardware.

But, need to see the torque curve.

Westcoast

Not disagreeing with any of your reply other than to say that 22ft/lbs is less than a 10% increase, it would be hard to fathom that is the breaking point of the current MT. Rick would have to weigh in on any mods that he makes to the MT work he does, but I will add the BGB and Sharkwerks also work with these transmissions in racing applications. they all would have a good idea of what the current manual transmission could reliably handle, but yes, the warranty thing would be prime on Porsche's mind.

Regarding "sniper" sorry, just passionate about the 6-speed, but I think that is well known around here!

worf928

No worries. It was a joke. <insert foghorn-leghorn meme>

I didn’t offer an opinion on the breaking point of the Audi bag. I did offer the observation that PAG has drawn the line at 309. Furthermore, PAG could have ‘done something’ any time since, what, 2007? And they haven’t. No new box, No tweaks. Probably ’cause: Audi.

If we see a MT in the 718 Spyder GT4 RS64 Speedster, my bet is that it must be the Audi box and that PAG will tweak cams, intake, exhaust and firmware to push the torque peak (of 309) two to five hundred rpm further to the right and thus achieve a similar HP humber to the 4RS. Low-end torque will be sacrificed for the move and folks will have even more excuses to complain about gearing.

993RR

There’s a limit to what they can charge for a Boxster of any sort. In this era of achieving 20% margins philosophy, doubt they will develop a manual for this version which will enjoy a short run.

Adrift

As compared to the cayman / 4RS? The speedster would argue that point.